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It hurts so much because I believe we should have been good enough to be mid table
I understand your concerns, but with all due respect, IMHO your expectations were too high at the outset. The squad that started this season was largely the same squad that was not good enough two seasons ago, then too good for league one last season. Signing Vaughan, McManaman and Gibson from Sunderland didn’t strengthen your squad, as they all featured regularly for the side who finished bottom of the championship, and didn’t exactly cover themselves with glory. Windass scored goals in the SPL, but to be frank, even Connor Salmon managed that!
So, like it or not, the squad you have is one that has history of struggling in the Championship, and I’m sure the objective set at the start of the season by Sharp would have been to avoid relegation. However I do still believe that unless Rotherham go on a miracle run, you will eek enough points to stay above the drop zone. The end of the season is when the owners should take stock, and if they consider Cook has hit his glass ceiling, then its time for him to go.
Finally, if Sunderland return to the Championship next season, I’d take 4th bottom right now.[/quote]
Mutty sir, I cant believe I’m saying this, but I agree with you. I would have been happy to finish 4th from bottom at the start of the season. I stand by that statement at the start of the season & I continue to stand by that up until the end of the season.
As for cook not being sacked. It was sharp I believe who offered him the 4 year contract. Perhaps he isn’t getting sacked as the new owners either cant afford the contract payoff, or they are the sort of people who like to honour contracts.
It’s negative and negativity breeds negativity, I’m sorry but do the decent thing Paul and throw the towel in m8, it’s clear as daylight the jobs just to big for you
So who comes in? Joe Royle? Peter Reid?[/quote]
Graeme Jones?[/quote]
Are you having a laugh? Or are you actually being serious? You & a few others want rid off a manager who you claim to have no experience & so on & so forth. Yet you want to replace him with someone with NO managerial experience whatsoever. Jones is a good coach, that’s all.[/quote]
Jones…operated at PL level as assistant to Martinez, and said to be the stronger coach out of the two.
He has also worked at World Cup and international level with Belgium, and been assistant at Albion, taking them to 4th in the table.
He has been consistently courted and pursued by Luton, who really want him as their manager…Ex Latics cult hero who then was assistant during our greatest ever achievement….
Yeah, he would be a terrible choice….[/quote]
I think he would be a bad choice. The only coach I can think of who made the step-up & had success was John deehan. The rest who we took on, Swain, joyce, hutchings sure there are more, have all failed miserably.
Some actually prefer to remain a number 2.
Who is going to sack him, the invisible board. We are in the shite big time both on and off the field. It seems as though nobody but us fans actually give a toss. FFS Royle say summat.
Yeah, we’re shite. He needs sacking after today and it needs some bold leadership from the Chairman and board. Not silence.
I’m swerving the Bolton game. Seeing them come and beat us with determined desire and fight, itll be far too much. I can’t stomach the thought of witnessing that. No thanks.[/quote]
Was wondering how long it would be before you spat your dummy out and threatened not to go. The family commitment you refer to in a later post is bollux, otherwise you would have mentioned it in the above post.
FFS pull yourself together, its bad times like this that make the good times even better. Do what a proper fan should do, have a moan if you want but get behind YOUR team.[/quote]Over to you vat
Who is going to sack him, the invisible board. We are in the shite big time both on and off the field. It seems as though nobody but us fans actually give a toss. FFS Royle say summat.
Yeah, we’re shite. He needs sacking after today and it needs some bold leadership from the Chairman and board. Not silence.
I’m swerving the Bolton game. Seeing them come and beat us with determined desire and fight, itll be far too much. I can’t stomach the thought of witnessing that. No thanks.[/quote]
FFS vat! Today was an absolute kick in the b0110cks I admit. But get behind your team at all times – through THICK & THIN![/quote]
No thanks. I dont want to see Bolton do us on our own patch. Ive another reason for not being there anyway, in all honesty. And its more important than watching that game. Family reasons.[/quote]
Family reasons are fair enough vat & I sincerely hope your family will be experiencing a happy occasion.
However, I do stand by what I said in my previous post. Get behind your team at ALL times during the good, the bad & the ugly. A football team is for life, not just for promotions & cup wins!!!!
It’s negative and negativity breeds negativity, I’m sorry but do the decent thing Paul and throw the towel in m8, it’s clear as daylight the jobs just to big for you
So who comes in? Joe Royle? Peter Reid?[/quote]
Graeme Jones?[/quote]
Are you having a laugh? Or are you actually being serious? You & a few others want rid off a manager who you claim to have no experience & so on & so forth. Yet you want to replace him with someone with NO managerial experience whatsoever. Jones is a good coach, that’s all.
It’s negative and negativity breeds negativity, I’m sorry but do the decent thing Paul and throw the towel in m8, it’s clear as daylight the jobs just to big for youSo who comes in? Joe Royle? Peter Reid?
Who is going to sack him, the invisible board. We are in the shite big time both on and off the field. It seems as though nobody but us fans actually give a toss. FFS Royle say summat.
Yeah, we’re shite. He needs sacking after today and it needs some bold leadership from the Chairman and board. Not silence.
I’m swerving the Bolton game. Seeing them come and beat us with determined desire and fight, itll be far too much. I can’t stomach the thought of witnessing that. No thanks.[/quote]
FFS vat! Today was an absolute kick in the b0110cks I admit. But get behind your team at all times – through THICK & THIN!
Yesterday was of course hugely disappointing. We had a good result in our hands but seemed to throw it away. And a lot of the blame seems to lie in the substitutions.I was particularly disappointed in PC’s post-match comments that Massie and Jacobs tired rapidly. I didn’t particularly notice, so I can only assume he gets that info from the men with the iPads.
I grew up watching teams managed by the likes of Shankly, Busby, Clough, Revie. If you’d told Shankly some of his players were tiring he’d say “Good, so they should. Why aren’t the others?” Managers like that didn’t need tracking monitors and fancy graphs and charts. They saw, and made judgements on what they saw.
Even if a player is almost out on his feet, when he suddenly gets that chance to sprint away then he should still be able to do that. That’s what fitness training is all about, isn’t it?
When was the last time you saw a Latics player come off the field covered in sweat?
I am not calling for Cook’s head now. Changing for who? But I am asking Paul to stop relying on what the men with the iPads tell him, either in training (which presumably governs his team selection) or during the match (for substitutions and tactics).
Watch the game like we all do, see what we see, and act decisively like a manager. You were a Red, Paul, just think what Shanks would have done. I’m sure he’d have tossed the iPads and sports bra monitors, and the Sports Scientists, out of the window with a few well-chosen words.
Totally agree garwood. Maybe cook thinks he’s playing FIFA instead of real life football.
Cant believe I’m saying this, but I would start garner with Powell behind him. Or as egg mentioned, Powell behind windass.
Long shot, but what about Cole???
Cook & his tactics are going the same way as Caldwell’s & joyce’s & we all know what happened there. It’s as if we haven’t learned anything at all from last time. I consider myself part of this rosy brigade, but even I am now starting to fear the worse. Lose on Saturday & i feel the alarm bells will definitely be starting to ring.
Sadly egg, we shouldn’t rely on beating Bolton & Reading, as they too will have the same idea. Lose those & we really will come unstuck. We should be trying to win at least every home game regardless of the opposition.
And our goal for this season remains the same goal at the start of the season – to REMAIN in this league. However we achieve it, by finishing top or 4th from bottom, the goal was to survive. So far we are achieving our aim.
Not good enough lol[/quote]
I know egg, & that’s the trouble
