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Sacking the manager won’t achieve anything……
Sacking all the backroom staff along with 6-8 players then we might stand 1/2 a chance
I may well be that Whelan is keeping his options open regarding Mackay pending one, the result of the FA charge and two, his performance as manager.
On that basis there is no point sacking the backroom staff if there is a possibility the club may appoint another manager before very long.I thought the first half was poor apart from our usual 0-10 min flurry! Obviously got a bollocking at halftime and the changes made a massive difference and we could have nicked it towards the end! It was good to see some guille back in the team during that 2nd half but I am still concerned about our lack of strikers!And we could and should have lost it at the end too. Woeful defending by Barnett who fortunately redeemed himself by managing to get back on the goal line for that headed clearance.
Overall, second half especially, we were much better than of late but are poor at the back and desperately short of a decent centre-half.
Isn’t there one more parachute payment? Could we have been any worse without them? Seems like we have only brought in journeymen in the last two years. Add to that transfer money and financially we have probably seen a much bigger income then when Whelan took us through the divisions with his own money the first time but that time we had a manager and players who were hungry and really wanted it.The money involved in running a football club has substantially increased in the 10-15 years since we were moving through the leagues. As I understand it the club is financially healthy and selling players is a way of maintaining that situation. And before the question is raised once again, I don’t believe money is going into Whelan’s back pocket.
I think the parachute payments are over four years but decrease significantly in the last two years.
It will be interesting to see the level of activity in this transfer window, the results of which may give some indication as to how determined Whelan is to get us out of this predicament. There are still some high earners at the club. That coupled with the threat of the drop to League One and the end of the parachute payments would be a heavy financial burden for a club like ours. Is he prepared to take the risk?
Bale has always had a look of Zoonie the Lazoon off ‘Fireball XL5’ and got ridiculed even before he rose to the top of the pile!
As for Crouch, he is gonna get ridicule for his height
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, eh?[/quote]
I am perfect in every way! ;)[/quote]
So you’ve nowt apart from back the club and Malky blindly?Your attempt to lighten things up didn’t work and reading it again, it doesn’t read like light entertainment. Just a dig at someone you really don’t know.
If you want to lighten the mood a bit say something like “go and fuck yourself Sammy there’s a good chap” and put a smiley on the end so it looks like your joking ;)
If you couldn’t see my post as anything other than a light-hearted response to your numerous rants, without the need of a smiley/winky face at the end, then you really are in need of some industrial strength chill pills. :dry:
Sorry you’ve lost me there Sammy.You’re now trying to ridicule me for having a viewpoint different to the views of some on here by asking a question like that? Views which are actually in the majority, I would argue, outside of this closed shop?
I had balance and reason when I wanted McLaren over anyone but Coyle, I argued the toss with people on here who haven’t watched a tenth of the games I’ve been to, home and away over the last 30 years or so who are now close to the club and used to support other clubs.
I don’t like the fact we pick a team on who does well in training, I don’t like the fact were shipping out players left, right and centre, who haven’t been given a chance to play football in the way we spent millions to acquire them. I don’t like the fact Rosler chopped and changed the team, I doing like the fact Malky came here under a cloud and that cloud has got darker and now engulfs the club. I don’t like the fact this man is in charge again our club for an uncertain amount of time, yet is being allowed to ship out what I consider talented players and bring in what so far has been ‘rumoured’ . I don’t like the fact he has won 1 game of football since he got here and was mighty lucky to get that and I don’t like the way he has so far set his teams up, including the 2 games with no recognised forward. I actually can’t think of a time when I was more frustrated and angry than that Rotherham game.The fact is Sammy I am very well qualified to have a viewpoint on Wigan Athletic whether you (who I don’t know from Adam) feels it’s balanced or not. I have seen us in far worse league positions, I have chucked money in a bucket to keep Stan McKewan, yes we used to have a moan but we’d all moan together and really understand it was our club and we were generally shite. Nothing really mattered apart from a few jars and being with your mates at the match, there was nothing we could do about much. To a certain extent that’s what it’s all about and how many days were great days spoiled by the football?
Fact is, to me this all feels very different, sordid and dirty and not something I feel I should keep quiet about.
It was an attempt – an attempt mind you – to lighten things up at, admittedly, your expense, although it’s not like you haven’t voluntarily put yourself in a position to be mocked.
You have your opinions and you have put them forth rather vociferously. You have also ranted from a position of speculation without the slightest idea what is going on within the club or on the training ground.
It seems the club have got some things wrong since our relegation from the PL, ineffective managers perhaps, ineffective players certainly. Whelan has appointed a manager who he thinks will sort this out so you must be prepared let him do whatever he feels is necessary to achieve this.
Of course you have an opinion but constantly ranting on about the current manager’s failings and that certain players should be given a first team place is making you out to be some sort of Dave from Skem clone.
How long have you been supporting the club Tez, I mean as an adult, assuming you have already reached a point in your life where balance and reason have started to kick in just a little bit?
Did I ever mention that he insisted on signing copies of my book when he realised they were being raffled off for Jospeh’s Goal? ;)Did you show him where to sign and he cocked it up by putting it in completely the wrong place?
Another example of saying how much he loved the club then fekked off a few weeks later. :ohmy:I think it was at the Christmas light switch on in the town centre, when he gave this heart warming speech about not wanting to leave the club and he wouldn’t be leaving in the transfer window, even with all the interest from other clubs. A couple of weeks later wooooosh! off to villa he went.
Or perhaps Whelan said something along the lines of, “Well Emile, we won’t be offering you a new contract at the end of the season but Villa will and have offered us £3m for you. I think it would benefit everyone if we off-loaded you now.”
Sammy, do you not think that football today is a bit too scientific?. Bill Nicholson and Sir Alf only needed to see Greavsie to know how good he was. All I’m saying is that today it is about clip boards and ststistics and not about natural talent. Maybe Riera and Delort have been coached since youth to play attacking football and now in England with the more defensive systems in use that they find it hard to fit in. Who knows? why it is not working for them but who do we replace them with within the squad?.
If you compare how the game is today with that of 50, 40 or even 30 years ago it’s understandable how some players back then could get by on their talent alone. That’s just not possible or acceptable in todays game.
However, natural talent will always shine through so we must come to the conclusion that neither of the two players in question – however they have been previously coached – have shone well enough to impress either Rosler or Mackay. Why else would they not be in the staring eleven on a regular basis?[/quote]
Quite correct, today you cannot turn up for training with a hangover and a fag on. As for the managers picking Riera and Delort well Rosler didn’t last 5 minutes and already if you listen to some on here Malky is a waste of space (not my opinion) so to say 2 managers don’t rate them is just not registering with the more pessimistic fans among us. I personally think our plight is still down to the formations we are using which are suited to the Prem but maybe not so the Championship. I am confident that Malky will get it right but it may take relegation to finally rid us of the Premier League ethos to turn it around.
BTW Sammy we must have been in the Ammy league at similar times though I never turned up much coz the Latics always played on Saturday back then and so I was always unavailable :lol: :lol: I only really started playing when I moved to Nuneaton and played Sunday league.
I was at Shevvy.[/quote]
If you are looking for other excuses regarding the current performance of the team I think it would be naïve to believe the appointment of Mackay, Whelan’s ill judged comments and the still on-going controversy surrounding all of that isn’t having some kind of effect on the club as a whole.
I worked at Walmsley’s in the seventies and played for the works team until a more pressing commitment meant I had to give up the football.
Sammy, do you not think that football today is a bit too scientific?. Bill Nicholson and Sir Alf only needed to see Greavsie to know how good he was. All I’m saying is that today it is about clip boards and ststistics and not about natural talent. Maybe Riera and Delort have been coached since youth to play attacking football and now in England with the more defensive systems in use that they find it hard to fit in. Who knows? why it is not working for them but who do we replace them with within the squad?.If you compare how the game is today with that of 50, 40 or even 30 years ago it’s understandable how some players back then could get by on their talent alone. That’s just not possible or acceptable in todays game.
However, natural talent will always shine through so we must come to the conclusion that neither of the two players in question – however they have been previously coached – have shone well enough to impress either Rosler or Mackay. Why else would they not be in the staring eleven on a regular basis?
As for my own personal opinion, which carries far more weight than anybody else’s at the club based on a number of years playing in the Wigan Amateur League and 50 odd years watching, I have yet to be convinced either of them are any better than those currently favoured.
But what do I know?
WOW!
…and I bet you had no problem heading the ball, but struggled getting it through the changing room door.[/quote]
A bit of a whoosh moment there I’m afraid IWBITD, and you of all people.
Sadly there are a few Wigan fans knocking around, in both sports, that would rather the team failed so they could say ‘i told you so’, but me and Griff are not that type of fan. We would love Andy Delort or Oriol Riera to smash in the goals to save us but we just don’t think they’re the players to do it and considering the guy that signed them AND another Manager have left them both out points towards us being right……unfortunately for WAFC.
Fair point egg though how do you prove your worth if your not getting a chance?. Its a toughie I know and Malky has got a real job on his hands. Had Jimmy Greaves been evaluated on the training ground he would not have got further than Sunday League level. A lot of top pro’s have openly admitted that they could not be arsed in training. All we can do is hope Malky knows what he is doing and it eventually comes right for him.[/quote]
Apart from the fact you have absolutely no idea if that is true.
As previously stated both Delort and Riera have now played under two different managers and neither of them have been impressed enough to give them an extended run in the team. Given the woeful performance of the strike-force so far that speaks volumes.
As for my own personal opinion, which carries far more weight than anybody else’s at the club based on a number of years playing in the Wigan Amateur League and 50 odd years watching, I have yet to be convinced either of them are any better than those currently favoured.
Jimmy Greaves always stated he wouldn’t train so I’m making that my point or do we assume he is a liar?. Paul McGrath couldn’t train due to injury but played first team football at the highest level. I’m not saying Riera and Delort are good enough I just wish we could see a bit of light at the end of the tunnel. If so much store is put on training and who performs best then where do we get match sharpness and fitness throughout the squad?. I don’t envy Malky one bit.
But what do I know?[/quote][/quote]
Tongue-in-cheek speak from Jimmy Greaves perhaps? Probably his way of saying he didn’t train as hard as some others.
So how do you think Jimmy Greaves was evaluated on the training ground and how do you think that might relate to how Delort and Riera are assessed?
I’m pretty sure if either of them were to show anywhere near the same natural goal scoring ability that Jimmy possessed they’d be first choice starters alright, but not for Wigan Athletic.
