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Nope, you’re wrong.
If they sung ‘wi-ii-inners’ they might as well sing ‘champ-i-ons’
They don’t. They sing ‘champ-yuns’, so they might as well sing ‘wi-nners’.
Nope you’re wrong
I’ve sung it & have always used “champ-I-ons” and not “champ-yuns” not has it ever sounded like champ-yuns from others if I’m honest
As you’ve said elsewhere in this thread at the end of the day those who don’t like the chant ultimately only have the “no-one else has ever said it” argument – so fuckin what? Why are people suddenly so concerned about what other people think about us?
Half the chants out there aren’t grammatically correct and no-one gives a shit. This one is & people are getting their knickers in a twist just coz no one else has ever called themselves fa cup champions before. Only at LaticsNow then, should I call my dads dad grandad, grampa, gramps, pappa…..
Fuckin ell – don’t get me started on that one!!
You’ve said this before and it doesn’t!Winners is two syllables / two beats: ‘FA Cup Wi ners’
Champions is three syllables unless they change it to ‘Champ yuns’
It does!!
To fit in with the beat & rhythm of the chant if you use the word winners it has to become “wi-ii-inners” coz “win-ners” is to abrupt & the chant finishes fractionally too early
Champions with the “i” part pronounced quickly & almost merged with the “ons” fits better.
Two words can have the same number of syllables but take longer to pronounce & have a different rhythm/beat to each other. This is the case with “winners” and whatever the part of the original song was!!I am reet
FA Cup.
First lower division side to win it since 1980 and the first to defend the trophy since the 50s I believe.
You might be right with teh first bit of that, but in my lifetime alone (since 1975), Tottenham won it 2 years on the bounce (81 & 82), Arsenal won it 2 years on the bounce (2002 & 2003) & so did Chelsea (2009 & 2010)
Going back a bit further, Spurs also won it in successive years in 1961 & 1962[/quote]I meant lower league side to defend it which I thought was obvious but clearly not ;)[/quote]
I’ll let you off then!!
No team from outside the top flight won the FA Cup between West Brom in 1931 & West Ham in 1980.
Coincidentally, WBA won it in 1931 & got promoted from the 2nd division that same season. Maybe lightning will strike twiceThe reason why nobody has used it is a perfectly good argument though. It isn’t true. We are not the Champions of the FA Cup. We are the winners of the FA Cup.Did Liverpool and Man Utd trade “Championees Championees” chants in 2001 when one won the cup and the other won the league? No, because Liverpool were the cup winners not the champions.
The club have produced a t-shirt with it on now and it still doesn’t make it true just like my belly would not be the fuel tank for a sex machine should I purchase one of those t-shirts from Benidorm.
It isn’t a perfectly good argument though – all you & Griff (& others) are talking about is your own personal preference (& admittedly the preference of the vast majority of others) for the word winners over champions
Unless there is an official FA regulation stating that the team that wins the FA Cup must be referred to as winners & not champions (& there isn’t) & as the Oxford dictionary’s definition of champion is “a person/team who surpassed all rivals in a sporting contest or competition” then I’m sorry but a team who wins the FA Cup can quite rightly claim to be the FA Cup champions
For what it’s worth I was at a cup final involving United at some point in the 90’s & when they won, their fans (& players) were singing “championees” so they considered it acceptable too. I didn;t hear any pedanitc feckers in the crowd round me whinging that people should stop singing it coz they were the “winners” & not “champions”I have neither met you, nor seen you getting down & dirty, to be able counter your argument that your belly is not the fuel tank for a sex machine – Mine is & I’ve got the t-shirt to prove it!! ;) :woohoo:
FA Cup.First lower division side to win it since 1980 and the first to defend the trophy since the 50s I believe.
You might be right with teh first bit of that, but in my lifetime alone (since 1975), Tottenham won it 2 years on the bounce (81 & 82), Arsenal won it 2 years on the bounce (2002 & 2003) & so did Chelsea (2009 & 2010)
Going back a bit further, Spurs also won it in successive years in 1961 & 1962Unfortunately the “well nobody has ever used that phrase to describe themselves before” is hardly the most convincing argument around. All words & phrases originate somewhere
At the end of the day it is grammatically acceptable & (more importantly) it fits in with the song far better than “winners”Mind you, I’m also the kind of guy who has always found the use of “Crwho?” amusing to describe our friends from Gresty Road
Eddie Ilderton. Now there’s a name from the memory banks. He started his league career quite young and I remember him refereeing us against QPR in 2002 when he got basically everything wrong.My role in this is that I used to escort the referees off the pitch, and I had to physically hold back Paul Jewell who was going berserk.
What was funny was a year or so later Paul Jewell before a game collared Mark Clattenburg with “did you referee us a year back?”, thinking he was Ilderton (both are from the North East).
Was he the guy that awarded a corner to QPR from a long punt upfield that had quite clearly been flicked on from just inside Latics half by a QPR player – and then QPR scored from the corner???
At least he’s now prepared to accept & change his mistakes He’s by far the best striker we have in my opinion. I thought he held it up well when he came on and looked much better than Maynard – who was pants.It doesn’t happen very often but I’m gonna agree with you on that
It’s probably fairer to say that he’s the striker on latics bookas who is most suited to playing that lone sriker role. Maynard for me is probably the more natural finisher but doesn’t have the attributes to play up top on his toddIn all honesty though none of the strikers latics have had on their books this season have been much kop & it’s latics weak spot.
I think it’s testament to the rest of the squad & the work Rosler has done since coming in that with 3 strikers who have a mere 10 goals between them this season in all competitions that we’ve reached the semi-final of the FA Cup & look nailed on for a play off berth when you consider some of those around us have the likes of Charlie Austin, Chris Martin, Adam La Fondre & Pavel Pogrebnyak on their books who have upwards of 60 goals between emSorry I couldn’t resist this, it made me chuckle in the club shop is a T shirt with FA CUP CHAMPIONS we know what we are , I think that ends the debate .
Really? Irony lost on you then?
They’ve produced the t-shirt like that because that’s how it’s sung. Not becasue it’c correct. Bit patronising really, but it doesn’t matter because those that think that FA Cup Champions is correct won’t know what patronising means anyway. :whistle:[/quote]
Bloody hell – not only do I think that FA Cup champions is a perfectly acceptable term to describe Latics, but since the start of the season on my visits to the DW (& maribor) I’ve been singing “We know who we are” not “what we are”
I’ve been making myself look a reet tw@t all this time!!! :blush: :blush:I like this blaming game :evil: – Ivan Ramis for me. Poor play from him directly contriubuted to all 3 of Yeovil’s goals
Hopefully 20k minimum.Last year quite a few people were put off going by it being Millwall and confidence that we would get to the final.
20k is pretty respectable though, given the KO time and travelling distance. How many will not travel because it’s on ITV this year :ohmy:
Quite a few Millwall fans last year admitted they wouldn’t have sold 31k had it been at Old Trafford…we might well have done!
I would say 20k tops.
Plenty of people used the “millwall excuse” for not going to the auto windscreens final in 1999 & then the year after when we played there against Gillingham still didn’t go
I also think that you’ll have the “I took the gamble on them getting to the play off final” excuse/valid reason tooBasically though the demand isn’t there – Latics aren’t an “old club” with generations of latent support to call on. Everyone interested in the club & who doesn’t support (even from the comfort of their own armchair) someone else pretty much goes (although not all of them every week).
having looked a bit more I think we sold 23k for last year’s final. I just don’t think we’ll sell 20k for a semi-finalAnyway, lets stop obsessing about how many we think will go coz I’m sure the media & other supporters will do that for us. Lets just enjoy the fact that our club have reached the alst 4 of the FA Cup for the second year in a row & enjoy it. Some supporters never get to see their team play there & we’ve had it 4 times in under a year
