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Grant Holt never gave a shiny shite about this club. He just needed a move closer to Cumbria. Never gave a yard for us, just a good pay day, we fell into a trap despite us all thinking he could do a good job.
Spotted regularly in Carlisle, buying pies, working on local radio and now down sizing his cars. He won’t be on our books much longer, expect a move in January.
He’s reputedly on £28k a week so I doubt he’ll be moving anywhere until his contract runs out.
Could we just not have waited till after the Bury and Blackpool games?Bollocks to Wolves they could have waited. Good luck Holty you are a model pro to have reached Championship fitness levels after such a bad injury.If Championship fitness levels involves being able to jump no more than three inches off the ground, have the touch and finesse of an African bull elephant and the turning circle of a very large oil tanker, then I agree.
I have that book too George but it doesn’t tell you why he was suspended for three months.
It must have been something serious but do you know why?Despite Coyle and Rosler we made it to an FA Cup semi-final and the play-offs. Just reinforces my belief that the squad we had was more than capable of returning the club to the Premier League.
I thought you weren’t so stupid as to spout the old “I’m only on a wind-up” excuse.
How wrong could I have been.
Ask Griff, he’ll tell ya! Also Horc and Lostock Hall latic as well! I honestly didn’t think that you would be that stupid to fall for it if the truth be known!
I don’t give a flying fuck about Martinez anymore, he is at Everton now! The only reason I am letting on about the wind ups is because I am getting bored with it all now, not because you feel that you got the better of the argument because there wasn’t one, it was all a wind up! [/quote]And after months away from here, I see it’s still full of the same old liars and bullshitters! This was all just a wind-up, was it? Yeah right, of course it was! Sammy’s right, trotting out that tired old “wind-up” excuse/reason/justification/back-track line is just sooo obvious, the last defence of a poster who knows his argument is backed into a corner.
Admit it, the lot of you who started and perpetuated what is, and always has been, a totally anti-Martinez thread are still – three years on- looking absolutely bitter and twisted, not to mention stupid.
But I’m with you, Phil, on one thing at least – I gave up worrying/caring/thinking about Martinez a long, long time ago. Difference between me and you is, I am telling the truth.[/quote]
So you are calling me a liar? Selective memory syndrome! I won’t go into a ‘Davefromskem’ esque meltdown but did you even listen to a word I told you on our walk to the ground on several occasions? Sammy thanking you is quite funny I must admit but for fucks sake Griff for you to post that is just ludicrous! At least there are some on here who know the script, I’m just sorry that you didn’t get it despite having first hand info that I’m on the rise! It would appear that you are just as gullible as our weekend wearing tie man/woman ( Can’t differentiate )Sammy![/quote]
Oh dear! It seems your key witness has failed to reinforce your claim. You need a good memory be a part time wind up merchant.
I thought you weren’t so stupid as to spout the old “I’m only on a wind-up” excuse.
How wrong could I have been.
Ask Griff, he’ll tell ya! Also Horc and Lostock Hall latic as well! I honestly didn’t think that you would be that stupid to fall for it if the truth be known!
I don’t give a flying fuck about Martinez anymore, he is at Everton now! The only reason I am letting on about the wind ups is because I am getting bored with it all now, not because you feel that you got the better of the argument because there wasn’t one, it was all a wind up! As I have openly told the above posters on several occasions I have been on the wind up for a long long time! Some of my posts are sincere but I would say that a good 80% are just piss taking! I don’t even remember the Swansea game, in fact I struggle to recall many games under Martinez as I found them quite mind numbing ( That bit is true! ) I can understand illiterate idiots like 33IQLatic falling for it but you Sammy! Anyhow, no hard feelings eh! Just ask any of the above if you see them what I have told them,I am on the wind up mate! ha ha ha[/quote]Hilarious. Oh how I laughed reading this.
Of course the 20% of the time when you’re not taking the piss you can always claim you are which sort of reinforces the “I’m only on a wind-up” excuse.[/quote]
But it doesn’t though does it! Don’t feel bad at getting taken for a ride Sammy, you ain’t the first to fall for it! I’m telling you straight that my latest addition to the Bob thread was pure piss taking and you can’t seem to accept it? Do you seriously think that I give a fuck about a game from well over 2 years ago! Ha ha ha[/quote]
It depends upon which part of your 80-20 rule this statement falls under. By admitting that 20% of the time you are not taking the piss it sort of makes all your posts irrelevant really, but if that’s what gets you through the day…..
I thought you weren’t so stupid as to spout the old “I’m only on a wind-up” excuse.
How wrong could I have been.
Ask Griff, he’ll tell ya! Also Horc and Lostock Hall latic as well! I honestly didn’t think that you would be that stupid to fall for it if the truth be known!
I don’t give a flying fuck about Martinez anymore, he is at Everton now! The only reason I am letting on about the wind ups is because I am getting bored with it all now, not because you feel that you got the better of the argument because there wasn’t one, it was all a wind up! As I have openly told the above posters on several occasions I have been on the wind up for a long long time! Some of my posts are sincere but I would say that a good 80% are just piss taking! I don’t even remember the Swansea game, in fact I struggle to recall many games under Martinez as I found them quite mind numbing ( That bit is true! ) I can understand illiterate idiots like 33IQLatic falling for it but you Sammy! Anyhow, no hard feelings eh! Just ask any of the above if you see them what I have told them,I am on the wind up mate! ha ha ha[/quote]Hilarious. Oh how I laughed reading this.
Of course the 20% of the time when you’re not taking the piss you can always claim you are which sort of reinforces the “I’m only on a wind-up” excuse.
I thought you weren’t so stupid as to spout the old “I’m only on a wind-up” excuse.
How wrong could I have been.
Listen,Swansea were 4th from bottom going into that game and hadn’t won away for about 7 or 8 games if I recall. They had their main talisman ( Michu ) out injured and we led twice only to go and bollocks it up! Fingers can be pointed in all directions, excuses made but at the end of the day the buck stops with the manager! Did he have an eye on the FA Cup? Of course he did, the whole team did and I am glad they did but at the end of the day we fucked it up and it wasn’t down to bad luck or injuries because as I recall Swansea were piss poor that night and despite us leading twice they beat us and so to me that was not Martinez’s ( The buck stops here ! ) finest hour!
As for Caldwell he didn’t get the nickname ‘Calamity’ for nothing! He might have been player of the year, he might have beat his chest and shouted a lot but when he invariably fucked up he fucked up good! Your proverbial ‘Marmite Player’ !
Now all that aside let’s discuss the opposite of the thread, the chance of Bob being top 4 Bob! With the way things have started off for some of the top 4 usual suspects surely Bob has his best chance yet to deliver his promise to Kenwright and the Everton fans. He said 3 seasons and so this is it for him, can he do the business or was it all just Martinez spin?Idiotic tactical decisions did not cost us the game against Swansea, as was suggested, because none were made. Martinez played his strongest possible team – he had to – and we lost, partly as a consequence of a player’s mistake and partly through rank bad luck.
Games are often lost on events that are outside the manager’s control. Of course the players had one eye on the final and who could blame them. If it wasn’t for the distraction of the FA Cup we wouldn’t have been in the situation of having to win that game anyway.
It’s about time you got over your obvious animosity towards Martinez. It’s making you look a bit sad.
but also all those idiotic tactical decisions that relegated us
And what tactical idiotic decisions might they be oh “Special One”.[/quote]
Swansea at home wasn’t his finest hour I must admit! Perhaps Donny is referring to that proverbial nail in the coffin? :huh:[/quote]
Why was he tactically idiotic regarding this game?
If you are referring to him playing Caldwell who was admittedly not 100% fit then I don’t really know what options he had. Golobart perhaps?
Yes Caldwell was at fault for Swansea’s equaliser, which had a good deal of fortune about it, but he also impressively set up McCarthy for his goal.It was a game steeped in tension for obvious reasons and consequently error prone but you can hardly blame Martinez for the misfortune that cost us the game.[/quote]
I didn’t say his tactics were idiotic I just thought his tactics in-play could have been a little better! To twice relinquish a lead and then to ultimately get beat is bad in anyone’s books. With a couple of tweaks here and there I personally think that the defeat could have been avoided but being bereft of a ‘Plan B’ was always Bob’s achilles heel! Hey but I’m no manager and so my opinion means jack shit! As for Caldwell, I wouldn’t have risked him, I would have played Jones who was well up to the task of playing at the back, anyone but Caldwell who later came back to fuck up our play-offs in The Championship and then contributed to our FA Cup semi final defeat against Arsenal, he is now our manager! You can’t make shit like this up can you!
As for Golobart, signed by Martinez as ‘A Future Talent’, currently lying in the ‘Where Are They Now’ files, well the Spanish third tier to be precise![/quote]Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Would you really have played Jones at centre-back and Golobart ahead of a less than 100% fit – how much less we don’t know – Caldwell, or Ronnie Stam perhaps?
Martinez went with experience in a pressure game and it nearly worked but for heap of bad luck.
I suppose if anyone of the above alternatives had been played instead of Caldwell and we’d still lost the cry would have been “why did he not play Caldwell”.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
As for tactics, I don’t think he got much wrong in the game. At 2-2 we had to go for the win and as a result run the risk of conceding, which is how it happened.
Caldwell’s subsequent performances and his appointment as manager have bugger all to do with the game in question.
As for Golobart, many managers take a punt on up and coming players and it doesn’t happen. This is not something unique to Martinez.
Sometimes it works. McCarthy and McArthur for example.How can we ever forget those amazing scenes when we lifted the cup but also all those idiotic tactical decisions that relegated us and all those statements about loving our club so much. Bob created the bad feeling by entering into the swap triangle probably before the season was anywhere near finishing. If only he had just seen getting Latics back into the Premier League as important as getting Everton into the Champions League or could I be wrong and it wasn’t about ambition but more about becoming a bigger millionaire than what Latics had already made him. This thread should never end. Thank you LHL who incidently at one time was a major fan of Bob but an even greater fan of WAFC. His football was shit by the way. Boring shit.Apart from about twenty games in his entire time here. Boring shite!!!
Let’s not rewrite history!
Compared to other Premier League teams, Wigan clearly had limited resources, both in the size of the squad and the quality of the players. Roberto was also fighting on two fronts; the Premier League and the FA Cup. But he didn’t have the resources to compete in both.
The general consent on this forum was that winning the cup was more important than staying in the Premier League. Roberto overcame all the team’s injuries to produce a makeshift team and a winning performance in the face of the mighty Manchester City.
I suppose that Roberto could have fielded a reserve team in the Cup Final, and a fresh first team against Arsenal three days later. But even that may not have been enough to save the Latics.
In his time as manager, Roberto had to reduce the size of the already modest wage bill substantially – just as other teams were spending much more. The result was inevitable.[/quote]
Under Martinez Wigan Athletic won the FA Cup.
It seems I have to keep repeating this but some people really don’t understand the significance. No ah buts or what ifs need to be added since they are unnecessary.
I know I didn’t believe the rumour but something changed and we played better football and it kept us up and for that we showed Bob the gratitude he deserved but first match of the new season it was straight back to the negative ways.Then why repeat “the rumour”, if in fact it was ever a rumour except in your own deluded brain.
but also all those idiotic tactical decisions that relegated us
And what tactical idiotic decisions might they be oh “Special One”.[/quote]
Swansea at home wasn’t his finest hour I must admit! Perhaps Donny is referring to that proverbial nail in the coffin? :huh:[/quote]
Why was he tactically idiotic regarding this game?
If you are referring to him playing Caldwell who was admittedly not 100% fit then I don’t really know what options he had. Golobart perhaps?
Yes Caldwell was at fault for Swansea’s equaliser, which had a good deal of fortune about it, but he also impressively set up McCarthy for his goal.It was a game steeped in tension for obvious reasons and consequently error prone but you can hardly blame Martinez for the misfortune that cost us the game.
but also all those idiotic tactical decisions that relegated usAnd what tactical idiotic decisions might they be oh “Special One”.
