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Sorry to butt in on your discussuion but the emphasis on the 1st team over youth development pre-dated Bruce.
Dave Whelan spoke of it when he first bought us. Paul Jewell also spoke about it & it was all about getting as high as we could to get the money in & then look at the long term issues of Academies etc…
On Steve Bruce in particular he was just following the same model as previous managers & I distinctly remember him saying when we signed those 2 Polish youngsters, that signings like this were the future route of Latics recruitment.
Let’s not also forget that Bruce was in charge when Whelan decided during the Jan transfer window of 2009 that the club was going to start to move towards self-sufficiency.
Therefore by the time Bobby arrived several months later, the dynamic of the club had shifted considerably & his pressure on Whelan to develop the youth side of things & invest in new facilities for them would likely have come no matter who the manager wasI was going to mention that it was also the case under Jewell, but didn’t bother.
I’ve heard a couple of accounts from parents who had kids at the club during this time who said their kids never came into contact with Bruce or his first team staff, whereas when Martinez came in there were noticeable improvements in the equipment they used, the way in which they were treated etc. Plus Martinez and Jones were regular visitors to training sessions.
The wheels may have been in motion when Martinez arrived, but he was certainly more of an advocate of developing youth players than his two (three if you count Hutchings) predecessors.[/quote]
I forget the exact date this story comes from but a mate of mine knew someone whose son was being coveted by quite a few local clubs.
The players dad was a Latics fan so my mate told him he was a bit surprised when the lad went elsewhere (I think it was possibly Crewe) – the lad’s dad turned round & said there was no way he was ever gonna go to Latics coz the whole set up was “cr@p”Back to your point, I think whoever had been in charge would have had to have gone down the same route as Bobby coz it was more of an issue for him. It wasn’t to the previous 3 as they had bigger 1st team budgets
If this takeover bid comes to fruition whats going to happen to the lodgers? Apparently the posters on the rugby boards are shitting themselves that they may have to rent elsewhere!I’ll be saying my prayers every night from now on! :lol: :lol: :lol:
They have a log term lease with the stadium company
IF this takeover goes through & IF it involves the purchase of Wigan Athletic Holdings as well as Latics FC then the rugby are still fine & dandy a) They already have a legally binding lease to use the stadium for x amount of years & b) because Wigan Athletic Holdings are just one of the shareholders (albeit the major one) in the stadium company & are unlikely to get the required percentage of shareholders votes to lob them out even if they could do it under the terms of the leasePersonally I think that it has much more to do with his skill level than any management technique.
He was impressive last time out at this level but struggled when we went up.
I believe that it was a similar story for him when he moved from Northampton to Derby. he then dropped back down to Lge 1 with Wolves, impressed, & then struggled after they got into the Championship – Latics then signed him & the cycle repeated itself.Career wise for him, I think if Latics get promoted this season & he stays that next season will be his last chance saloon at Championship level
Sorry to butt in on your discussuion but the emphasis on the 1st team over youth development pre-dated Bruce.
Dave Whelan spoke of it when he first bought us. Paul Jewell also spoke about it & it was all about getting as high as we could to get the money in & then look at the long term issues of Academies etc…
On Steve Bruce in particular he was just following the same model as previous managers & I distinctly remember him saying when we signed those 2 Polish youngsters, that signings like this were the future route of Latics recruitment.
Let’s not also forget that Bruce was in charge when Whelan decided during the Jan transfer window of 2009 that the club was going to start to move towards self-sufficiency.
Therefore by the time Bobby arrived several months later, the dynamic of the club had shifted considerably & his pressure on Whelan to develop the youth side of things & invest in new facilities for them would likely have come no matter who the manager was
To be fair Johnny, these 2 were quite good!
They didn’t actually play together as a pair that much though…….it was usually one or the other.
At Wembley, Mc Arthur played right wing back.[/quote]
I think you’re letting time cloud your memory. They played together in the middle of the park more than they didn’t – & by a long stretch.
The only reason McArthur played right wing back at Wembley was because we were down to the bare bones of the squad as everyone was dropping like flies – that’s the same reason Espinoza was at left wing backAldershot away would be my preference as its only about 5 miles from where I’m living these days
Failing that Hampton & Richmond, Eastleigh, Maidenhead, Leatherhead, Sutton United, Slough Town or Woking – I’m not fussy!!
Right, somewhere in my memory bank is these facts. We sold TK to Stoke after the then transfer deadline day which was allowed back then. The rules im sure were that coz he had signed after the deadline he could only play in games not affecting promotion or relegation so only appeared in a few games. We blew promotion ourselves after he left. Now if I’m wrong ill hold my hands up but I’m sure that’s how it panned out. Someone will probably be able to trace the stats from that season. It was a long time ago.LIke I said, it was before my Latics time but I’ve done a bit of research & it appears that he signed before the old deadline day in March of 1986 but almost immediately fell out with Stoke’s manager who ordered him to lose weight & he only played in 1 game that season after he’d joined.
Under the old system you could sign players after deadline day but they couldn’t play until the next season – it happened to us when Roy Carroll was signed from Hull
EDIT – & apparently he is Joey Barton’s cousin
I went to the first friendly after the Amigos signed away at Lancaster City.
None of them played but Tony Kelly did – I wasn’t a Latics fan when he’d originally played & only remembered him for a spectacular own goal he scored for us at burnden Park whilst playing for Bolton.
I couldn’t believe that we’d signed someone so fat & clearly unfit. I don’t think he left the centre circle that day & he still looked 10 seconds from a heart attack when he came off the pitchJoe Hart got man of the match on the strength of a double save ffs.I agree but it wasn’t even a double save & I couldn’t understand why the pundits kept going on about it – the ref quite clearly blew for a foul (incorrectly in my opinion) after Hart came out & blocked the first one.
Whilst he did get up after 2 whacks & block the follow up, he may as well have stayed down coz it wouldn’t have counted anywayAs for England games – I’ve watched a few in the flesh in my time & the atmosphere at the home games, whether they were at Wembley, Old Trafford, Leeds or wherever was always rubbish no matter who the opponents were.
The atmosphere at away games on the other hand is somet else – as is the journey & the pre & Post match festivitiesWage bill won’t be ten million. Top earner at club is Nick Powell on 8K per week. Rest nowhere near that.Assuming that info is correct, then I’d say that £10mill won’t be far off. That makes Powell on £416k a year – the club then has to pay tax & NI on top of that at around 25% making his cost to the club £520k. That means it only takes 19 players at that level to reach £10mill.
Now I know you say that he’s the top earner but even if the rest of the 1st team squad are on between £3k-£8k a week that £10mill disappears pretty quick.
Plus the development squad, plus the scouts, plus the non-playing staffI liked Warnock for his attitude & dedication but in terms of his ability he was found wanting more & more as the season went on. Didn’t have the legs to get uup & down the pitch any more, his positional sense had disappeared as had his ability to pick up his man.
Buxton I never particularly rated – injury prone & a liability in possession & whenever he went to head out a high ball
The club was spot on allowing these 2 to go – especially on the wages they were probably commanding having come from Derby
Nope. Not having it. The ball was a good 6″ in. I know I’m right, and that’s all that matters!For the record, I’m with whoever it was who said earlier that the linesman didn’t get to the corner in time.
We commented on this during the game that he was slow up and down that line all night, and at one point there was a throw-in and clear as a bell he mouthed ‘Ive no idea’ before the ref gave the throw-in – which was greeted by a chorus of heckles.
For the not-given-goal, I didn’t see where the lino was, but my mate who I sit with commented that he was ‘nowhere near that one. He’s not a clue.’
You’re wrong – just admit it!!
To be fair to the assistant sometimes you are that close to the action & it happens that quick that you really don’t have a clue who it went off last – down with the dead men where we’re not mic’d up you’re told to just hold the flag centrally with both hands, then the ref knows that you don’t go & if they don’t either it goes to the defending side.
Don’t forget though on Tuesday they were mic’d up so the ref didn’t know, he asked the assistant & he’ll have told him he didn’t know – unfortunately for him, some people can lip read!!!He really was having a mare if he wasn’t on the line for Morsy’s effort coz as I said he didn’t have far to move & it wasn’t at pace
This is the instant he connects with the ball.
Surely you can’t still say this ball is anything other a couple of inches off the ground?
Even if that’s the case it’s in a line with his standing foot, which is on the line.[/quote]
It’s in line with the heel of his standing foot, which is behind the line.You can even see the ball’s shadow – which is also behind the line.
I’ve told you: I won’t be convinced otherwise![/quote]
Ya need to get your eyes tested man!!
Part of the shadow of the ball is on the line & considering where the floodlights are (to the side & diagonally forward of the goal) the shadow won’t be directly underneath the ball anyway – it will be at an angle slightly behind the actual position of the ball.
I also find it hard to believe that the assistant wasn’t in line with play at that point – he will have been in line with the 2nd rear most defender who in this case was on the deck in the 6 yard box when Morsy picked up the ball. The shot from Morsy was hardly a rocket & to move from where that player was to the goal line was a couple of side steps.
He wouldn’t (or rather should never have been) stood on the edge of the penalty area with the rest of the players when Morsy first picked up the ball.Maybe someone should contact Sky & get them to use that fancy software they have to straighten it out once & for all – but I know I’m right ;) :P
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If the ball is as far behind the line as that photo gives the illusion that it is then that player would need to be stood much further back to allow him to draw back his leg that far before kicking the ball.
Also, whilst I admit that its blurry, the angle of his head doesn’t indicate that he is looking as far behind the line as he would need to be looking if the ball was as far behind the line as that picture gives the illusion that it isYes face it – I’m reet
Given the way the ball hit the post then bounced on the line, I reckon the most likely explanation is the assistant saw the trajectory of the ball ie bounce straight along the line and hit the line, then looked elsewhere and missed the spin that took it over the line.I doubt it. Having reffed ever since Bruce’s full season at Latics & never made it further than an assistant on the Evo-Stik, you get assessed & assessed to within an inch of your life.
He won’t have made it to the football league line by having such poor concentration that he looks away as the ball is bouncing along the line. That’s not to say he won’t make mistakes but his only focus at that point would have been whether the ball was over the line & he wouldn’t have looked away until it was hoofed clearI never knew that about the first goal line technology game over here – you learn somet new everyday!!
