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OK, let me re-phrase – what evidence do you have to support your belief that they are actually fit enough? Because “I don’t believe that” is just as much of a debate killer as my “your opinion doesn’t matter” ;)
Saying you believe something isn’t the same as saying that same thing is fact – my wife believes in God. She can’t provide any evidence for it other than the Bible but she still believes in it. She believes there’s a God but she doesn’t say that they exist. Same applies here :P
My belief is based on what I’ve seen of Latics under Rosler & from my undoutedly vast knowledge of the game gained from nearly 40 years of watching & playing the game (almost forgot refereeing there too!!) ;)
Like I said I think that Rosler believes that his style of football means that you need make significant rotations from game to game to keep the players fresh. He’s said it himself on numerous occasions & (until the latter stages of his time there) he did the same at Brentford too where incidentally many of their fans believed that whilst he undoutedly did a lot of good his constant squad rotation often had an adverse impact on the teams performances – in other words he did very well there, but he could have done better.As he has done the same wherever he’s been, (I believe ;) ) Rosler is either too cautious with players fitness, players just aren’t physcially fit enough to cope with his style or he needs to adjust his style.
And like I also previously said, I do accept that there is the tiniest chance I could be talking b0ll0x – only a tiny chance mind
It’s not remotely important whether you believe it or not, to be honest. You’re not the one being paid to do the job exactly as you see fit (excuse the pun), he is.I agree completely but that doesn’t stop me or anyone else being entitled to that opinion or from voicing it.
You could just kill virtually all debate that there’s ever been about football with that attitude :PWhy would a manager give a fictitious answer to explain his own rotation policy?.I didn’t say that he didn’t believe his own answers – I just fail to see that the intensity of Latics play is that high that it neccessitates around half the outfield players not being at the required fitness to be able to play consecutive games.
Rolser believes that squad rotation is vital to success – he did it in Norway, he did it at Brentford & he talks about it in all his interviews & he believes he needs to do it at the levels he does it because of the intensity fo how his teams play.
My argument is not that he is lying but that I don’t see Latics style of play being any more intense than many other teams I see – some more successful & some less so. None of those teams make as many changes from game to game as Rosler does which leads me to think that he alone can’t be a special case & that he’s being over cautious.
Nor do i believe that the players levels of fitness are that poorIn comparison to your volleyed return of the ball, i once punched the ball back on to the pitch from seat M224 in the west stand – no idea why, & it really f00kin hurt!! :blush:
I don’t know anything about the lads background but I do know that there was a big debate about Roger Milla’s true age as well with it being claimed he was even older than was thought.
The problem is (& I don’t know if it applies to this lad/fella) is that if you’re are born out in the sticks in some isolated village it’s unlikely that one of the first things you are going to do is travel a huge distance to register your kids birth. In many countries they will send out officials to register births & it can be several years between visits to your village so all the kids who’ve been born in that period get registered with the same date of birth. I read that Milla could have been as much as 7 or 8 years older than was claimed.
Could be the same with this mon coz he certainly looks older than 17
or he could have just forged a birth certificate
or he could be 17*holds the door open for Tylders
In I step!! ;)
To be fair, I did say in the other thread that I liked the way he wants to play the game & that I thought he was doing a good job so far – just that I feel it could be even better without so many changes from game to game.
I also said that I understood the argument for squad rotation but that I don’t see any other team that mnakes so many changes from game to game.
Obviously I haven’t read the full transcript of what was said yesterday, but from what I’ve read above he’s not said anything that has caused me to change my mind[/quote]
From what Rosler said, it would appear his desired style of play requires a high level of intensity and our players are simply not fit enough to keep this up on a game per game basis or even during the course of a single match.Regarding other teams that don’t rotate, that would suggest that they don’t play with the same intensity that Rosler wants Wigan to play at and/or their players are fitter than ours.
I’d say that pretty much explains it.[/quote]
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Like I said, I understand the logic behind the argument – I just don’t agree with it.
Are our players that unfit that half of the outfield players are incapable of playing in successive games?
Does Latics play under Rosler seem that much more intense than that of many other clubs throughout the leagues?
As an outsider looking in I’d answer no to both questions – although I am honest enough to admit that there is the teeniest, tiniest chance that I’m talking b0ll0x!! ;)I appreciate Latics manager’s taking the time out to do these kind of things but at the end of the day, they’re just a PR exercise. There’s a tendency to think that just coz the manager said it, that it must be true. Bobby used to come out with some right codswallop in his (just like he did in his post match interviews) & said things that contradicted things he’d said at previous ones & you still got some people saying “Yeah but Martinez said …”
From the summary on here I found what Jonathan Jackson said far more enlightening than what Rosler said
*holds the door open for TyldersIn I step!! ;)
To be fair, I did say in the other thread that I liked the way he wants to play the game & that I thought he was doing a good job so far – just that I feel it could be even better without so many changes from game to game.
I also said that I understood the argument for squad rotation but that I don’t see any other team that mnakes so many changes from game to game.
Obviously I haven’t read the full transcript of what was said yesterday, but from what I’ve read above he’s not said anything that has caused me to change my mindWe beat fulham 1.0 at home with a injury time goalWe beat em in our first season in teh top flight thanks to the Chimbonda injury time goal. I also remember that Latics beat them the season after at Craven Cottage thanks to a Camara goal
Yeah if he stopped tinkering then we would still have Crainey at LB and Holt up front.Then we’d be doing better……
Yes coz you can only have a settled side if you pick Holt & Crainey (who I don’t know if you noticed but he played at the weekend) :blink: :blink: :blink:
I don’t think that you can argue with his points per game tally which is why i said in another thread that I do think he’d doing a good job – but like you I think that without the constant tinkering that he could be doing even better
Incidentally according to my truster season tracker I’ve devised in work, latics haven’t been as high as 9th in the table since we beat Forest on 31st August
I spent a week in Aberystwyth last year, staying in a sea-front hotel.The weather was hot, not a cloud in the sky. We were planning to go back this year.
I’d check your hotel is still there (or at least habitable) after recent events!!
I’m a former student there & go back regularly. I was talking to someone who lives there the other week & by all accounts the prom is just a complete & total mess.
Plenty of other reasons to go there like & if you go when the football season’s started take a trip down to Park Avenue to watch the mighty green & blacks!!Whilst appreciating the need to keep players fresh & free from fatigue & the injuries that creates in a congested fixture list like Latics have had this season, is he not worried that making 4-6 personnel & positional changes from game to game might be hampering the squads ability to build partnerships, fluidity & momentum?
Best thing about seating you don’t get stretchered off with ankle ligament damage coz you get pushed off the terrace as happened to me v Blackpool F A Cup at SpringyI feel your pain – although for me it was celebrating Paul Rogers equaliser at home to Gillingham in the 98/99 season. I also then got dropped by the St John’s guys who were carrying the wheely chair thing down the terracing (where the St Andrew’s Stand met the Town End) when I celebrated Simon Haworth putting us 2-1 up shortly after.
On (of the many) plus points for terracing is not scraping all the skin off your shin on the seat in front whilst celebrating a goal
If we recall that during the window the likes of Boozy, Ramis and others were targets of Prem clubs, is it not beyond reason that Uwe is doing his damndest to keep everyone happy and is the reason he must play as many players as he can? At the end of the day we can only play 11 guys at one time and please remember that some on here have banged on about having a decent squad so lets not castigate the guy now for trying to keep the boys happy and match sharp. Give him time and im positive he will get it right. In Uwe we trust.There are plenty of other clubs who have squads as big, if not bigger, than Latics & their manager’s don’t make 4-5 starting XI chnages from game to game.
Whilst you don’t want a group of players as unhappy as they’re alleged to have been under Coyle, the manager’s job is not to keep them happy but to get the best results possible & I just believe that by making so many changes from game to game that that isn’t happening.
Far from keeping em fresh I think that making so many changes is hampering some players being able to build up any sort of momentum.For what it’s worth, I do agree that Rosler has improved things – 2 defeats in 14 represents a marked improvement but I don’t think the team is still doing as well as it should be because he is making so many changes
I may well be wrong but I don’t remember Paul Jewell making so many changes on a game by game basis – in fact one thing I do remembers hinging to a mate that he was regularly criticising the players in those early days & yet pickng those same players for the next game. In fact he even had a blazing on pitch row with Scott Green away at Wrexham in the auto windscreens & still picked him for the next game
