TyldesleyLatic

As a keeper coming out in a situation like that you have 2 choices:
1) To go out to the ball as LMB suggests in his original post
2) To go out to the ball in the way that Peter Schmeichel pioneered which I think was developed from his time as a Handball keeper

The problem with the first option is that it makes it much easier for the attacker to score as you’re giving them much more of the goal to aim at. The problem with the second option is that once you’ve committed, unless you make really godo contact with the ball, you are going to clatter the attacker & the momentum of your legs is likely to carry on in the manner that Carson’s did.
The mistake IMO wasn’t that he chose the wrong option when going to close Gosling down but that he misjudged the bounce of the ball slightly meaning that he went over the ball & connected with the man first. For me that would just as likely have happened had he gone in side on & he would also then still have caught Gosling & given away a penalty.
He adopted the same approach for Ince’s chance later on & made a great block. had he gone in side on I think Ince would have scored

That suggests we are a lot of tickets short of what we need :ohmy:

How exactly do you “prove” travel details if you rang up for a ticket?

“Proof” of travel details to me means handing over an invoice with your details on it! Which is what I had in my hand yesterday. Which was not asked for to put me on the waiting list.

So I’m on the waiting list without proving travel, presume others will be as well.

Bottom line in this debacle is the club totally underestimated the demand for tickets and did not put measures in place to reflect that.[/quote]

The tickets could have been reserved pending receipt of travel details which could easily be provided by e-mail, fax or in person within a (for example) 2 week time frame
With underestimating demand, it would appear so!!

Putting my pedantic hat on, I can no more take your word of that as “fact” than I can take the word of the poster who said only around 300 tickets went on open sale :evil: :evil: ;)
I believe that it’s true & you probably know someone at the club who has told you this but it would help to stop people throwing accusations at the club if they stated clearly that the 150 VIP tickets were an additional amount
I think the club should also have announced this package in advance as the timing of the announcement stinks however well intentioned it may be[/quote]

The club website states that 642 went on sale to season ticket holders and that a further 150 went on sale as part of the VIP package.

Here:http://www.wiganlatics.co.uk/news/article/13-10-15-maribor-sells-out-in-an-hour-1114890.aspx%5B/quote%5D

That’s fair enough & I’d seen that yesterday but to the already suspicious it seems odd that these have not been offered for any of the other games in this manner.
Again a statement along the lines of what Standish has put in terms of wher these are & therefore the need for strict vetting of who they go to would have been better than – “We’ve sold all the tickets but there are 150 if you wanna give us £495”

For what it’s worth I don’t think the club have done much wrong. I don’t know how the phone system works & that may not have been their fault.
They should possibly have also requested proof as to travel details in order to ensure that the generally accepted way of ST holders etc getting first dabs wouldn’t be circumvented by people without ST’s getting ST holders to get em tickets by just quoting their (the non-ST holders) travel details

To be fair, if the parents story is true then the other 2 options that I can see is that Madeline either wandered off or was abducted. If she’d got out of the apartment it’s likely that she’d have either been found & taken back, had an accident & died or been abducted by someone on the street.
Regardless of how patchy their story is or how some things seem not to stand up, abduction is one of the 3 most likely scenarios
I agree that it’s all just opinions but the behavioural focus of his article doesn’t stand up at all & it forms a big prop of his theory. Take it away & their argument starts to crumble
Same thing with the dogs – they don’t always find something & they aren’t always correct but the author ignores this coz it doesn’t support his argument
And like I said he doesn’t provide any explanation of where the McCann’s could have hidden Madeline’s body out of sight, sound & smell of search teams for 3 weeks before putting her in the boot of a hire car.
Same with the inference of Kate McCann not answering the questions put to her in the formal police interview. He dismisses it as somet like “I know there was a lawyer present & giving advice but still.. surely she would have wanted to help the investigation & he didn’t.” It’s pretty certain the lawyer would have virtually insisted she answer nothing & if she had nothing to do with the disappearance (other than leaving the child unsupervised) then answering all those questions wouldn’t have helped one jot anyway
There’s just as many holes in his argument when you dig into it as there are in the McCann’s

I don’t have any opinion on what i think might have happened, only on what I know happened – I’ve done jury service about 10 years ago & there’s no way that I could convict someone based on what this journalist puts up here.

Putting my pedantic hat on, I can no more take your word of that as “fact” than I can take the word of the poster who said only around 300 tickets went on open sale :evil: :evil: ;)
I believe that it’s true & you probably know someone at the club who has told you this but it would help to stop people throwing accusations at the club if they stated clearly that the 150 VIP tickets were an additional amount
I think the club should also have announced this package in advance as the timing of the announcement stinks however well intentioned it may be

I formed my own opinion on this a long time ago.

Have you read this one? http://www.cwporter.com/mccann.htm

Warning: this article investigates why the writer believes she was not abducted. If it’ll offend you, don’t read it.[/quote]

There are some inconsistencies in the story & some unanswered questions but from teh three quarters of this article I managed to read yesterday, the author is basing way too many things on the behaviour of the parents in the immediate aftermath i.e. why would she do that? Why didn’t she do this? Why did she say that & not this? Why is his version a bit different to this other blokes etc… therefore she wasn’t abducted
That ignores the fact that if the official version is correct, both parents would have been in a blind panic & not acting calmly & rationally. Different people react to different situations in different ways & certainly don’t act how an impartial observer looking at it some time later thinks they would have reacted.
Likewise it’s well known fact that different people witnessing the same event will give differing versions of what took place – i remember the coppers coming into my school & during the talk, someone barging in doing some role play of being a mugger & then they asked us all to write statements. Not one was the same & people had the bloke with different coloured hair, different coloured clothing, different height & all sorts.
One thing that the author completely overlooks (or I may have completely misunderstood) is the blood/smell of death etc.. in the hire car. The car was hired 3 weeks after Madeline went missing if I’m not mistaken. Given that the police were swarming around that area, complete with sniffer dogs etc.. where on earth do they propose that her body was stashed for 3 weeks?
IMO if the “evidence” is as irrefutable as this author says then they would have been charged. despite 2 national police forces looking at it, they haven’t been.

The only known “facts” are that the parents left 3 children under the age of 4 unsupervised in a holiday apartment whilst they went otu eating & drinking & 1 of those children disappeared

Something went wrong with the phone system yesterday & i can understand those who got caught up in that being miffed at missing out on a ticket. The club should apologise for that – whether they could offer any of them any of the 150 VIP tickets is open to debate as it’d just lead to a flood of people claiming it affected them & I suspect demand would again outstrip supply.

In fairness to the club, the official advice given to us supporters shortly after the draw was for people not to book & pay for any flights, hotels etc.. (& presumanly book leave at work) until the club was able to confirm ticket & travel details, locations, kick off times etc..
Had people followed that advice (I didn’t & knew the risks) they wouldn’t now be out of pocket if they haven’t got a match ticket. Yes the club was asking for this info yesterday before releasing tickets but I know from a friend who phoned the ticket office on Monday that if you hadn’t booked anything (coz you were waiting to find if you got a ticket), they would take your planned itinerary as a kind of deposit & release the tickets to you when you confirmed that these had been booked. Again, following this route no-one would have been out of pocket.
The big problem with asking for these details (either those already booked or planned travel) is that the club had absolutely no way of checking these details (other than knowing how many seats were available on various flights to various destinations on certain days) & so really you could have told them any old bumpf. To get round that the club could have asked for proof but some people would have complained about that.

The club can’t be blamed coz they only got given 642 tickets &/or the fact that it seems some people took a post on here that we’d get as many tickets as we wanted as gospel even though that poster stated that this had not been confirmed officially. I do think though that when they put the selling system in place they had no idea how high the demand would be for tickets.

The timing of the VIP package announcement stinks a bit as I said yesterday coz it does look a bit like “All tickets have gone but if you’re desperate we’ve got 150 more but you’ll have to chuck £500 our way to get em”. That said, people are jumping to an assumption that this 150 has come off the 642 total when in actual fact, nobody knows this for certain & they are just as likely to have been an additional amount