Dont take this the wrong way BUT do you know who we played tonight and how much they have spent,they are pushing for the title and going to get in champions league,they put 6 past manure at old trafford,so to lose 1-0 is no disgrace they could have put our goals against into orbit.Yeah i am gutted we have lost but i didnt expect to win but thought we may sneak a draw[/quote]

Yeah I know full well how we played etc etc but if we are just going to be happy to be bottom and throwing the old ‘well we did try this time’ line out we’ll never get anywhere. 15 point in 21 games; we’ve won 1 in 11 at home. I’ll stick to the facts that are presented and we aren’t good enough.

1) Do you think that at times this season and the previous 2, when the players get it right on the field, using bobby’s tactics, they look nowhere near relegation material?
At times yes we have looked like a team who could finish further up the bottom half but at times ‘Bobby’s tactics’ have been a major reason why we haven’t got it right.

2) If you said yes, do you not think then we just might need to get some consistency and perhaps a more potent striker, to change things around.?
You say just get consistency like it is easy to do. I have 2 mindsets for this, our players don’t work hard enough and they don’t look fit enough or they are playing within themselves and feel restricted in displaying the best parts of their game. A potent striker will always help but we will be in the market with the least money and aren’t an attractive option. We have Ronnie Stam playing the ball in behind the back 4 but the hold-up play earlier on means the centre forward has to be akin to Usain Bolt to get beyond the defence to finish off. You only need to look at the chalkboard and opta stats about the number of passes we make around the box to know we hit the buffers when we arrive there

3) If you said no, can you explain how we’ve managed to match and actually look even better than a times, the majority of clubs in the EPL over the last 2.5 seasons, even Man Utd for long spells in matches?
Teams at this level should always have a foothold in a game at some point. The facts speak for themselves in terms of games won, drawn, lost which is the be all and end all of a football club and is what helps run the ‘business’. I think a lot of the Martinez apologists have as much of a blinkered view of the future as those who paint it all as dark and dreary. We have some good footballers and athletes in the squad who I feel aren’t utilised correctly to bring out their strengths. There are far, far many occasions when things have been less than accetable and as a club in general the fans have stood by Martinez. Those that haven’t have not bothered attending which is fine as it leaves us to get on with trying to back the team. Three transfer windows Martinez wanted and he’s had it. No excuses for him now. I watch football for us to win games and be successful. If we don’t win I still turn up and hope we learn from mistakes by training hard and showing improvement for the next week. I’ve not seen that.

Hugo was sent off for the same last year or do our own fans forget this in favour of their ‘real’ side?

I think it’s got to the stage where it doesn’t matter who comes in. I think the players would respond to a different voice. I’ve never been an advocate of this style of play anyway. We have some exciting, athletic players who have a lot more to give than they do in this set of systems and tactics.

Bottom line is his time should be up. 9 changes where the majority were players signed by Martinez to ‘challenge’ for places in the starting 11. I’m worn out and tired from his philosophy. Roberto, thanks for 1995 onwards, your letter to the site about the love you have for the club and for 2 years of survival. Thanks for reducing the debt burden along with Whelan you’ve consilidated the survival of the club at least but it’s time to go.

I just don’t get what Roberto is trying to do. At no point when I purchased my season ticket did I ever think I would see David Jones playing left wing-back for starters! I said it the other week, his decision making just smacks of desperation now but if he can’t see that McCarthy deserves another spell on the bench then what little support I do have for him will just evaporate further. We got lucky last week with the win and it dragged us back into it a little more but it’ll probably be another 10 games before we have another win if the patterns of play stay the same.

Too many fans still gloss over the individual errors the players in the team are making but Roberto’s job is to coach these out of them. If the same players keep making the same mistakes then that’s a massive downfall of a coaching team.

Every game we have lost this year has had a massive contribution from our own stupid errors, it just so happens yesterday we managed to get a foothold in the game and score 3 goals to cover some of the shockers we are making every single week. If you look at us now 1/3 of the way through the season, we seem to make 2 howlers a game consistently so now do we have to score 3 to even have a chance of getting anything? It seems so.

I can see where your mate got confused, the bottom tier is all sold out and they’ve been selling tickets for the top tier. I’m in block 112 btw.