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Einstein was a genius Cook is certainly not
Einstein’s teachers thought he was retarded.[/quote]
No they didn’t. Not is there any evidence that he had a learning disability such as dyslexia
Both urban mythsPaul Cook on the other hand wears a magic hat
Or was that John Deehan??????
There is links to both tackles on the original post TL.
I clicked on the first link & all it was were several still shots (one of the tackle when no contact has been made) & several others of the players involved and a robotic voice explaining what Dyche & Klopp had both said[/quote]
Did manage to find it on another clip though – the difference between the 2 for me is that the original tackle for me was fine (from the side but gets his leg in front, clears it away & is always in control of his body & movement) whereas Van Diyk’s was a foul from the moment he lunged in, studs up & out of control.
Contact after the ball had gone was due to the momentum of both players in the Mee challenge whilst in Van Diyk’s it was caused purely by the speed & force of his lungeKlopp was right, it wasn’t a foul on Gomez, so I’ve no idea why he decided to say that but still whinge about it – players can get injured in perfectly legitimate tackles
There is links to both tackles on the original post TL.I clicked on the first link & all it was were several still shots (one of the tackle when no contact has been made) & several others of the players involved and a robotic voice explaining what Dyche & Klopp had both said
I think we’ll have to agree to disagree TL. Wilson missed another opportunity actually inside the box after this so not sure it was an obvious scoring opportunity? And by the way, Wilson had his arms held aloft and looking at the ref to emphasis his claim.
Saw championship highlights last night and Bradley Dack did exactly what you don’t like in order to get his man sent off..
I love footy but hate this cheating business, it ruins the game, even more than Gavin Ward did
And i agree with you Jimmy! I’m not sure it was a ‘nailed on’ obvious scoring opportunity. From where i was sitting he would have to have been a lot better footballer than he demonstrated yesterday for it to have been even 80% chance of going in.[/quote]
Whether he has the ability to have scored is irrelevant – he’d have got the ball in the penalty area and been in a position for an obvious scoring opportunity. Whether that opportunity had fallen to Messi, Wilson or someone who can’t hit a cow’s arse with a banjo doesn’t matter. The key word is opportunity and not that they would have scored[/quote]
I get that TL, but anybody who’s played footy knows you’re not thrown to the floor by a hand on the shoulder.
Coincidentally, was speaking to a Sheff Utd fan on Monday and as soon as I mentioned Wilson he started telling me he’d done the same to them.
Refs should be aware of the likes of Wilson and bear it in mind before brandishing a red. Do you know if professional refs are told of ones to watch?[/quote]It was still a foul so the fact he may have exaggerated the effects of it is irrelevant
Pro refs as such aren’t told of ones to watch as such by the PGMO but they do watch clubs games (i know the PL ones used to be able to claim Sky Sports subscriptions as expenses due doubt being needed for “research purposes”!!). Many will talk informally to officials who’ve done the team’s games. I was even encouraged to do it at the level I reffed at (NWCFL kevel) but didn’t coz I didn’t agree with it and don’t think a ref should prejudge a player or teamAccording to Liverpool fans (and Klopp for that matter) the challenge on Joe Gomez last week was a shocker and a red card. The challenge by Van Dijk last night was fine as he clearly won the ball beforehand.Now obviously both players did win the ball but what happened after is vastly different. One collided with the player, the other studded him half way up his leg. What are your thoughts on the two TL?
I’ll be honest – i haven’t seen the MeeGomez tackle but I did read Klopp’s comments and they were utter jibberish. He stated that the ref should stop challenges like that but also said that it wasn’t a foul. If he doesn’t think it’s a foul then he should shut his mouth. How the help does he expect the ref to stop the game for something it’s laws allow. If anyone can show me a clip of it I’ll give me opinion but if a an Klopp says it wasn’t (but he still wanted the ref to not allow it???) then it’s pretty safe to say it was fine
The one last night was a shocker. He’s lunged in, studs showing, out of control, unable to stop himself, barely glanced the ball and then caught the player studs up, half way up his leg. Like someone else has said, that he glanced the ball before contact with the player is irrelevant just as it is if a player clears the ball and with his follow through catches an opponent studs up in his chest
Interpretation is the annoying thing from my perspective.The rule (or law however they are referred to) will be written down in black and white but each individual referee will then add to their own interpretation to it so you end up with matches that appear to be officiated under completely different rules to the one the week before based on the ref and either how card happy he is or which parts of rules he chooses to apply when and where.
For example, you can commit the same foul on half way as you do in the box and not be penalised for the one in the box because the referee doesn’t want to give a penalty for it. The following week, a nothing challenge in the box will be given by that ref who basically blows every time someone falls over (depending on who they play for).
The laws aren’t quite as black and white as you think but we’re deliberately written to be interpreted.
As much of a problem as one ref interpreting an incident differently than another are supporters/players/managers/pundits interpreting them differently too. That’s why you can have 5 different people viewing an incident with 5 different interpretations
In addition, a massive part of a referees involvement is match control – part of that is controlling dissent etc. but part of it is not blowing the whistle for every infringement. If they did rigidly enforce all the laws 100% of the time, the game would be ruined – how many times have we all moaned about a busy body ref?I think we’ll have to agree to disagree TL. Wilson missed another opportunity actually inside the box after this so not sure it was an obvious scoring opportunity? And by the way, Wilson had his arms held aloft and looking at the ref to emphasis his claim.
Saw championship highlights last night and Bradley Dack did exactly what you don’t like in order to get his man sent off..
I love footy but hate this cheating business, it ruins the game, even more than Gavin Ward did
And i agree with you Jimmy! I’m not sure it was a ‘nailed on’ obvious scoring opportunity. From where i was sitting he would have to have been a lot better footballer than he demonstrated yesterday for it to have been even 80% chance of going in.[/quote]
Whether he has the ability to have scored is irrelevant – he’d have got the ball in the penalty area and been in a position for an obvious scoring opportunity. Whether that opportunity had fallen to Messi, Wilson or someone who can’t hit a cow’s arse with a banjo doesn’t matter. The key word is opportunity and not that they would have scored[/quote]
TL – thanks for this. It is great having you on this forum to give us clarity and accuracy. If you sit any where near me you will know I haven’t really got much of a clue, indeed you will have gathered that from my postings here – so thanks for giving me a bit more of a clue. It is helpful.[/quote]
Most people who saw me referee said I didn’t have a clue either!!!
It is interesting when you referee how different supporters/players/managers/pundits think some laws are to be interpreted to how referees are told to interpret them by FIFA & FAI think we’ll have to agree to disagree TL. Wilson missed another opportunity actually inside the box after this so not sure it was an obvious scoring opportunity? And by the way, Wilson had his arms held aloft and looking at the ref to emphasis his claim.
Saw championship highlights last night and Bradley Dack did exactly what you don’t like in order to get his man sent off..
I love footy but hate this cheating business, it ruins the game, even more than Gavin Ward did
And i agree with you Jimmy! I’m not sure it was a ‘nailed on’ obvious scoring opportunity. From where i was sitting he would have to have been a lot better footballer than he demonstrated yesterday for it to have been even 80% chance of going in.[/quote]
Whether he has the ability to have scored is irrelevant – he’d have got the ball in the penalty area and been in a position for an obvious scoring opportunity. Whether that opportunity had fallen to Messi, Wilson or someone who can’t hit a cow’s arse with a banjo doesn’t matter. The key word is opportunity and not that they would have scored
The sending off wasn’t harsh at all. Their player was a stride away from getting the ball for what would have been an obvious goal scoring opportunity & Naismith pulled him back. Nailed on red.
And Morsy and their player both went face to face with each other from what I’ve seen. Caution for Morsy for the original foul & caution for adopting an aggressive attitude for their fella for his immediate reaction to that foul.
I’ve only seen the highlights so can’t comment on the rest of his performance but in those 2 instances I feel the ref got it right
Naismith didn’t pull Wilson down at all. He put his hand on his shoulder and as soon as Wilson felt it he went down. There was never enough pressure to pull / push Wilson to the floor like that.
Typifies what’s wrong with footballat the moment. A player prefers to cheat rather than carry on to try and score.
Wilson dove in the box in second half too and the ref bottled it. A dive is supposed to be a booking and shows what kind of player Wilson really is. But that wasn’t shown on the highlights![/quote]He pulled him back. With enough force to put him on the floor? Possibly not but it would still be a foul & still be a DOGSO – I do agree with you though in being sick & tired of players who make a meal of fouls. I once cautioned a player who had his shit pulled & went down like he’d been shot – gave the penalty as it was a foul but there was no need for s scream & throwing his arms in the air.
I haven’t seen the alleged dive as lime you say it wasn’t on the highlights. From what I’ve read elsewhere though, he didn’t appeal for it – in most cases a ref won’t caution in that instance even if they suspect that he deliberately fell over as you just get hit with the “he just fell over, he wasn’t looking for it” stick
The sending off wasn’t harsh at all. Their player was a stride away from getting the ball for what would have been an obvious goal scoring opportunity & Naismith pulled him back. Nailed on red.
How come, in the previous two weeks that neither the Bolton or Blackburn player who fouled the last man in the box and conceded a penalty was not even booked ?[/quote]
It’s never been part of the laws that it’s a sending off if it’s the “last man” – it has to be denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity. From memory Grigg at Bolton wasn’t as he was in no position to have an attempt at goal
With the Blackburn one, Mutty’s right – the laws were changed at the start of last season so if the foul is accidental and denies an obvious goal scoring opportunity then it isn’t a mandatory red. For that one the guy tripped over his own feet & caught our player as he was falling over.
In both instances therefore it should only have been a caution if it met the criteria for issuing one (reckless, cynical etc..). Giving away a penalty on its own isn’t an automatic caution even if some refs seem to give em for challenges that in any other area they wouldn’t have (which winds me up)The sending off wasn’t harsh at all. Their player was a stride away from getting the ball for what would have been an obvious goal scoring opportunity & Naismith pulled him back. Nailed on red.
And Morsy and their player both went face to face with each other from what I’ve seen. Caution for Morsy for the original foul & caution for adopting an aggressive attitude for their fella for his immediate reaction to that foul.
I’ve only seen the highlights so can’t comment on the rest of his performance but in those 2 instances I feel the ref got it right
Not sure when we last won at the Horwich Wanderers Stadium; I think Lee McCulloch scored the winner ! So it was nice to trudge home with a point in the bag at least. Could have won though and never looked in any danger; even with the multitude of corners that Wanky won. Funny how the Latics faithfull mistook the Wanky substitution for Janic Wildschutt :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Last time I remember James McArthur got the winner when Rodallega was playing (and appeared to sulk about the fact that the winner was scored, rather than passed to him so he could score !)[/quote]
He was pee’d off with Moses and not purely coz the winner was scored by someone else – the game before we’d played Everton & had been a goal up when Moses broke free. He got to the penalty are and was cut off by a couple of defenders but he had Rodallega & Crusat completely unmarked on his left hand side. He looked up, saw them & elected to go for glory which wound up with him messing it up. Everton went up the other end & equalised.
I’m assuming he got read the riot act after that game by his team mates & manager but in the very next game (the Bolton one) he did exactly the same thing & only Bogdan making a hash of the save ( no surprise there) allowed the ball to bounce out to MacArthur to score.
That’s why Rodallega was livid & why Di Santo had to push him away and calm him downWindass was excellent who would have thought that was coming when Powell cried off again (how injured is he really. Cook wasn’t impressed).
Mom VaughnI think if he was peed off it wasn’t due to the fact that he didn’t think Powell was injured but more that he’d declared himself fit when he probably knew he wasn’t & now he’s likely to be out for a longer spell
There is an interesting view of his red card yesterday at the link below. When you watch it, bear in mind that Sunderland were in black, and the Walsall player who was “fouled” is the guy diving in, and he didnt even get spoken to!
Are you having a laugh????
I can see what you mean about the “dive in” from the Walsall player as when he goes for the ball he is off the ground. However at that point it isn’t a challenge as Power isn’t that near the ball & nor is any other player. He is always 100% the favourite to get to that ball.
The Walsall guy does get to the ball & Power (desperate to make up for his poor first touch) jumps in when he’s never going to win it. As a result he’s late, studs up & off the ground – that’s a sending off all day long & is nothing to do with him trying to protect his team mates, it was a bad tackle. Nor is it an example of a match official out to get Sunderland
I’ve no axe to grind with Power, Sunderland or yourself Mutty but that was deserving of a sending off. Easily[/quote]
Although clearly, what the hell do I know!!!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46345398There is an interesting view of his red card yesterday at the link below. When you watch it, bear in mind that Sunderland were in black, and the Walsall player who was “fouled” is the guy diving in, and he didnt even get spoken to!Are you having a laugh????
I can see what you mean about the “dive in” from the Walsall player as when he goes for the ball he is off the ground. However at that point it isn’t a challenge as Power isn’t that near the ball & nor is any other player. He is always 100% the favourite to get to that ball.
The Walsall guy does get to the ball & Power (desperate to make up for his poor first touch) jumps in when he’s never going to win it. As a result he’s late, studs up & off the ground – that’s a sending off all day long & is nothing to do with him trying to protect his team mates, it was a bad tackle. Nor is it an example of a match official out to get Sunderland
I’ve no axe to grind with Power, Sunderland or yourself Mutty but that was deserving of a sending off. Easily