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Put it this way – you’ve watched Latics for a good few years. Do you boo during a game? Do you groan or barrack whenever a player miscontrols a ball, or worse, before he’s even taken the corner/free kick? The ones I see boing at games and shouting abuse at the bench who sit near me have only appeared since promotion to the Premier League. If/when we are relegated, I’ll put money on them disappearing again.
Or maybe it’s a Wigan thing rather than just Wigan Athletic – as the Wigan Walk has been in circulation since at least the eighties when Central Park cleared in minutes if all was not going well. If you speak to any rugby supporter from neighbouring towns, they all regard Wiganers as the most fickle supporters in Rugby League.
And, maybe that’s why nobody protests, sings Martinez out, or unfurls banners. It’s the Wigan way to moan, groan, boo, then walk out, mumbling all the way home.
Some of the people who know me at Latics will be laughing at that first question!!!!! In a moment I aint proud of I was the “season ticket holder” Paul Jewell was referring to in his post match interview after Sheff Utd away!!
I’ve been at games where some supporters moaning has seemed to be for moaning’s sake & I’ve had a go at them (United away in Latics first top flight season springs to mind) but at every game I’ve ever been to I have (to varying degrees) moaned, groaned or grumbled – I think some people round me thought I was having some kind of fit when Moses didn’t pass to Crusat against Everton!!!!! And that was kind of my initial point – I don’t think there is a club in the land where he wouldn’t have got stick from the crowd for that especially seeing as how he does it regularly
I agree that amongst the newer support you will probably find a larger proportion of the “openly” moaners & booers per head than you will possibly find amongst the old timers (per head) but I think its a pretty broad sweep to label them all as JCL’s – & to be fair even if they are JCL’s they are as entitled to boo & moan as someone who has been going for 60 years is entitled to continually cheer & applaudOh & as another point, I’m baffled as to why martinez thinks I should give a $h!t that 2 Swansea players were surprised that the atmosphere on Saturday was negative. As Swansea players they haven’t got a scooby doo about what has been going on at Wigan Athletic during Bobby’s reign (good or bad) nor should they have so why should I care that they thought it was negative (or positive for that matter)
From the interview I’ve read where Moses gives that quote it confirms what i thought in that the decision to rest Moses was not one he agreed with or requested but one which Martinez decided on in advance.
Again smacks of a manager thinking too much – the only question should have been “Do you feel up for playing after the midweek game & the travel?” If the answer was yes, play em & if they tire bring them off.
Just like he thinks he can get a team of bargain basement players playing like Barca (instead of playing to their strengths) he thinks he has the strength of squad to be able to “rest” players & still be capable of getting results. Doesn’t seem to be able to learn to cut his cloth accordinglyWhat I heard was that somebody asked why there are times when Latics get a free kick & instead of putting the ball into the penalty area, Latics often pass the ball sideways/backwards & try to build from there.
Bobby replied that putting the ball into the box in those situations (one that occurs to me is during the City game at the DW in the first half & it created a bit of anger in the crowd at the time) gives your opponents an opportunity to win the ball back & he prefers to allow his team to retain possession in order to try & control the game & create chances as opposed to playing percentagesIf that is what was said IMO it’s a load of garbage:
a) all well & good in theory if you have top players but Latics don’t & a manager should realise that & cut his cloth accordingly
b) in practice it just leads to more sideways & backwards passing, allows the opposition to get behind the ball & set out their stall & invariably Latics create nowt or make a mistake & give the ball away. yet still he persists with itI think I’m (genuinely) missing something here. I understand that he had a pop at the crowd and then retractedqualified it later, but I don’t know exactly what was said and in what context. Can anyone enlighten me?What I would say in advance of learning exactly what was said, is that any manager whose team serves up the kind of dross that his did on Saturday is on very dodgy ground blaming the crowd.
Sorry I should have qualifed part of my post by saying “if what I’ve heard what Bobby said last night is true, then it displays a certain arrogance etc…. ;)
Basically what I’ve heard was said is what LMB has just posted and also saying that it didn’t help the situation – admittedly it doesn’t help but as you’ve stated any manager who has a go at the crowd after Saturday is on shaky ground. I think his good PR mask must have slipped a little when he said that – what did he expect them to do & that was the point I was trying to make initiallyI think should be starting but not in place of Beausejour, but instead of Boyce. I like Boyce, but of we’re playing with a right wing back, Stam is much more suited.Must admit that’s one of the biggest things I don’t get about Bobby’s recent selections
Agreed I think he should be at right wing back instead of Boyce. I would however put Boyce in the back 3 in place of either Alcaraz or Figueroa.
I would also drop Gomez & put McCarthy in that free attacking midfield role which i think he is much more suited to & then I’d put Diame into the more conventional midfield role vacated by McCarthy.
Finally Rodallega in place of Di SantoPiece of pish this management lark
He just said it was not what he’d been used to and it didn’t do any favours. Said two Swansea players he had ginned were surprised about how negative we were
I think that’s a general trend at Wigan when things aren’t going well in a game. Because our rise to the Premier League was sudden, on match day you can have two thirds of the people in the stadium who’ve never seen Wigan get relegated or fall into the doldrums. They’ve only seen success, and when things start going wrong in a game, there’s an audible groan, murmurs of discontent and then the inevitable Wigan Walk.
I even used to see it in the first season in the Premier League, where, if we went behind in the second half, a group sat in front of me quite often stood up, slammed their seats, and stormed out whilst throwing glares at Jewell and gesturing towards the pitch. And this was the first season of playing the likes of Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal – which I found difficult to comprehend.
So no, it’s not the reason why the team lost on Saturday, and it’s not the reason why the team are bottom of the league, but it definitely is counter-productive, and the club need supporters, not spectators.
No doubt someone will want to reply that the players and manager should give us something to support and cheer for – but that just reinforces the argument.[/quote]
I’d disagree with you there Standish because every single club in the land suffers with moans & groan from the crowd when things aren’t going well. From Old Trafford & the Emirates to Bradford Park Avenue where I was on Saturday. For the most part people who pay to go to football matches go to support & cheer but (IMO) it’s only natural if you see players misplace passes or slice shots into the crowd to grumble & groan.
In fact I would say that, for all people come on here & whinge and moan and deman his sacking, that Bobby (& his team) have had a relatively easy ride from the crowd within the stadium at matches. I don’t think at any other club in the top flight who had had similar results & performances over the last 3 seasons would you have seen so little open revolt against the manager – bloody hell just look at Blackburn & Steve Kean & they’ve only had to put up with it for just over 1 season. I think that is in the main because, again for the most part, people recognise that he is operating on a relative shoestring & does have a genuine affection for the club so they are prepared to cut him alot of slack.
From time to time however people’s frustrations will boil over and IMO far from it being a time when people say “we need supporters not spectators” for Bobby to have said what he did last night displays a certain arrogance that he should not get any public criticism despite quite clearly making numerous mistakes in his team selection & tactics. Mistakes that he’s made before numerous times & not learned his lessons from & mistakes which even lead the owner to publicly criticise him.
Its naive to think that people are goign to watch the drivel that was served up from start to finish on Saturday & do nothing but clap & cheer for 90 minutes, stay to the end & then applaudmen of a certain age should incur a fine for wearing a replica shirt.Listen mate, I’ve always worn mine to games in the hope that I’ll get a last minute call over the tannoy that the team are a player short & need me to play, & I shall continue to do so!! ;)
Although at 50 quid for this new England shirt I think I’ll be putting my international aspirations on hold
It’s been moved because of TV but not so that it can be shown.
United’s game against QPR which I assume was scheduled for Easter Saturday has been moved to the Sunday for Sky, meaning Latics have had to re-arrange their game with United from the Easter Monday to later in the week
makes no mention that the Latics v United game is now on TVTo be fair I can remember Latics going 25 games unbeaten at the start of one season under John Benson & there were plenty about who would have been only too happy to see him sacked
Let’s not forget the age of these supporters. They are not old enough to know better. Lighting a flare probably just seamed like abit of a laugh. We have all probably done alot worse when we were that age? I know I did.
What they did was wrong, but to ban them for what I presume is life is abit harsh. Surely a warning against future conduct and the threat of a life ban would be enough to stop them doing it again?
With all due respect that was a completely different type of flare. It wasn’t the ones where you rip the top off & hold it, it was one of those ones which you fire up into the air.
The bloke who let that one off just fired it across the stadium & it hit the fella on the other side – that’s how he diedAs for what happened on Saturday, it was wrong. At the end of teh day you aren’t allowd them so the people who brought them in knew the risk they were taking if they got caught with em so if they get a ban of any sort it’s their own fault. The flares didn’t bother me personally but there were kids near me with their dads who were crying & screaming to get out coz they thought the stadium was on fire. A little kid shouldn’t go to any game & get that scared coz of the actions of someone else
Also, I don’t think all the arrests were in connection with the flares beign set off. I saw plenty being carted out for scrapping with the stewards & police
were gate receipts ever shared (apart from cup games that is)?If you’re on about in England, then yes all gate receipts were shared between the 2 clubs playing in any given match in the football league up until this was scrapped (under pressure from the “big clubs”) in 1983 – from what i can gather it was a 50/50 split too
I’ll chuck my twopenneth in.
In all honesty, I didn’t expect Suarez to shake his hand. He should have done after apparently indicating to both the FA & his club that he was going to but as he’s still protesting his innocence & claiming Evra lied about what happened I didn;t expect it.
However i think Evra has to shoulder some of the blame for the actual incident on Saturday.
Not in terms if not holding his hand out as some have said, but once Suarez snubbed his offer of a handshake he should have just left it. There was no need to then lean back & grab his arm in an attempt to force a handshake. By doing that the incident was magnified & became more of an issueIncidentally that isn;t a defence of Suarez &, in the way he comes across as a player, i can’t stand him but I think both of them could have handled the situation better
