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Hate both the bastards, but not half as much as our egg chasing parasitic lodgers, but we’re not allowed to slag them off anymore are we?
That’s just jealousy though horc.[/quote]
Please don’t go down the jealousy route egg lad. That’s exactly what the plastic Mancs spout to those who show vitriol to the scum. If it was jealousy you would just jump on the bandwagon and support them yourself. I will never be jealous of the what that lot have done coz they don’t register in any part of my thoughts only when I have to reply about the brain dead sport on here. Hats off to you Mon for supporting both but to me egg clodding doesn’t exist and that’s both forms of the joke sport.[/quote]
Didn’t have you down as a fish but any catch will do. ;)
From my personal experience of things rugby fans didn’t care about Latics until we made the Prem. At that point Latics fans stopped singing songs about the rugby. Now Latics fans in the main don’t care but rugby fans do all they can to degrade Latics. The one reason I can think is jealousy.[/quote]
When i was growing up i always supported them both because i like both sports. I can understand people not being bothered about them if they didn’t like rugby but some people just hate them out of jealousy and envy and there is no getting away from it. A lot of Latics fans who have kids are educating them to grow up hating Wigan Warriors because of their own inept insecurities. Its pathetic.
I have thought of one. After being promoted from div 3 there was a pitch invasion and everyone in the stadium pretty much gathered around the players tunnel. The pundit of the time for the North West was Elton Welsby and i believe he had been non too complimentary about the Latics and he appeared out of the tunnel whilst the joyous crowd was chanting for the players etc and this mon Welsby popped up arm aloft with a grin on his face like he was the Queen or something expecting some kind of heroes welcome i presume only to be greeted by thousands chanting ‘Welsby is a wanker’ his face soon dropped and he was never seen again.
Ah when football was fun you mean
i have a few things.
Having nobody to take me to the football so having to resort to either sitting in the tree at the back or clambering over the wall at the Shevvy end waiting for the steward to disappear and then jump into the toilets near the away end.
Going to all the local haunts, Bury, Oldham etc on a regular basis.
The noise from the Latic’s fans when we scored a goal in an enclosed terrace at away games and the people literally jumping over the top of each other.
The smell of pipes and tobacco.
Stuart Barlow scoring after about 16 seconds against man City in the Play-off game. The (Goatergate) games.
Being arrested and subsequently locked up for absolutely no reason other than walking down a street in Cheltenham.
Claiming a pub at away games after being escorted off the trains.
Pat McGibbon scoring the promotion winning goal in Div 3 (Chesterfield i think)
Warren Aspinall after being hounded by the Latics fans all day for his belly lifting up his shirt and patting it with both hands.
The hump in front of the goals at the away end.
Being chased around Burnley by a group of fully grown men as school kids for daring to wear our colours. (The Ian Wright and Neil Roberts debuts)
Baxi Wankers
Pasquale Bruno
Jorg Smeets’ stunner against Brentford
The husband and wife stewards on the main gate at Springy Park
Playing Altrincham on the telly in the F.A Cup
Teletexting the scores constantly on away games until final score came on.
Never ever signing a good loan player (Neil Woods, Stuart Whittaker, Neil Whitworth etc)(some things never die)
Watching Isidro Diaz tear left back’s apart
Probably loads more.
In that case then we should have signed a player who was immediately ready to replace Yanic.
Three weeks may be too late. That will take us into March. Give him two or three weeks to settle and we have him then for a miracle making five or six weeks before he fly’s off to the sun with us in League 1.What instead of buying a top quality player???[/quote]
Well of course JR. Why would you want to settle for anything less? Wigan Athletic….. ‘Making people think they can only afford second rate since 2009’
Relegation will be a big blow to the club financially ._.But on the bright side will grigg will be on fire again
And we might see more wins at homeI wouldn’t bank on it Bicky. I seem to remember a plethora of people thinking that would be the case about the Championship after relegation from the Premiership was confirmed. It’s not acceptable for a football club to hope to go down to see a few wins. You should expect and demand the very best possible from a team with no financial problems no matter how much spin is put on the club being skint. Joyce will be a good manager but i doubt it will be at Wigan Athletic. I think he has done very well in bringing in the players he has considering he was never going to get bugger all of the 7m that was made in selling the club’s best player. His hands are tied. The Whelan family doing what they do best. Suffocating the club until it goes pop.[/quote]
What a big load of twaddle, give yer head a wobble lad. Only for the Whelans we would never have seen championship football never mind Premier League, two major final appearances and a major trophy.
You fekin ungrateful twort!! :angry:[/quote]A very clever and very elaborate business plan from Dave Whelan. It was always intended to end this way. Some fans seem to think it’s ok to substitute the clubs future for the sake of a few years at the top and a cup win. It wasn’t earned on merit. It was bought and the man who bought it always intended to take all his money back and a lot more. He doesn’t care about Wigan Athletic. You will see one day. He is a Wigan Rugby mon anyway, that’s his real passion.
Relegation will be a big blow to the club financially ._.But on the bright side will grigg will be on fire again
And we might see more wins at homeI wouldn’t bank on it Bicky. I seem to remember a plethora of people thinking that would be the case about the Championship after relegation from the Premiership was confirmed. It’s not acceptable for a football club to hope to go down to see a few wins. You should expect and demand the very best possible from a team with no financial problems no matter how much spin is put on the club being skint. Joyce will be a good manager but i doubt it will be at Wigan Athletic. I think he has done very well in bringing in the players he has considering he was never going to get bugger all of the 7m that was made in selling the club’s best player. His hands are tied. The Whelan family doing what they do best. Suffocating the club until it goes pop.
No egg i dont think it was arsey at all. I understand why you ask. It wasnt so much a case of spending trillions. We had good sides that cost very little but every time it started looking good they were all sold on.
Sorry but i just do not buy that the club had to sell year on year. Nonsense to me that. In the premier league years Wigan athletic recieved about 700 million pounds but probably more in transferred players and tv money. It doesnt cost that much to rent a stadium and pay about 5-10m a year in wages. There are other reasons but yes Standish i 100% still firmly believe it
From an outsider looking in with no bias i will throw my view in.
Firstly a massive problem from when i was a ST holder was the ‘jobs for the boys’ mentality that engulfs the club behind the scenes from the boardroom down. Barrow and company need clearing out asap if The Latics are to move forward.
I actually think Joyce has the makings of a very good manager and the first transfer target (albeit controversial) is a dynamic and skillful midfielder in Ravel Morrison. He has been dealt a shitty hand in having to inherit a squad full of over the hill and over hyped players signed by another ‘jobs for the boys’ type appointment (although i also think Caldwell should have been given to the end of the season to rectify it)
The appointment of a chairman in his mid 20’s in my view is just ridiculous. He might be a Latics fan but he doesn’t know what is best for the club and it’s just a decent way of Whelan keeping his hand in. He will be off when grandad tells him it’s time to go.
I cannot believe fans have not yet realised that saying ‘we are playing well, we will come good, we deserve better’ doesn’t wash. After 4 years of saying that with Martinez it has carried on ever since. It’s like some people set very low standards for the club and expect them to be in the lower leagues.You have to earn the right to win and that side is extremely, extremely poor. It’s devoid of any skill or pace bar Yanick. Far too many clumsy loan deals and freebies of players in their 30’s. It smacks of what Blackpool started doing after their time in the Premiership came to an end and now they are near a sticky end. Very similar chairmen in my opinion. Like i said, i think Joyce has the credentials but he is working for an amateur chairman and he won’t spend any money. I can’t see Wigan Athletic getting out of trouble this season and then anything could happen.
Few questions/points Yosser.
Q – Having been a ST holder why are you no longer even a fan?
From a squad of 27 (if you count Bogdan) only 7 are in their 30s with 4 of them 30 or 31. Hardly an ageing squad.
Q – Seeing as our budget is the 16th biggest in the league with some clubs paying 5 or 6 times PER PLAYER than us, where do you expect us to be?
Q – Should we risk the future of the club like Bolton and Blackpool as you mentioned and spend massively despite getting crowds of 9k and having shirts from 2 seasons ago in the club shop still?[/quote]Sure Egg, i will answer. It’s no secret. You may not remember me, i used to be a prolific poster on here and although i still read what is going on don’t post until 3 days ago. I congratulated them on the F.A Cup win and again in May last season when they were promoted but that has been it.
To answer your first question about not being a fan anymore. I stated a good few years ago that it was nothing personal to Wigan Athletic, i am not a football fan in general anymore. I will break it down into a couple of sections for you though. Like many i first forayed into Springfield Park as a youngster in the early 90’s. I didn’t care that we would get walloped at home to the likes of Mansfield etc before Whelan came along, i was a kid actually there witnessing my team registering the score that i could only previously view on teletext because i was too young to go on my own. I got to experience the jostling in the toilets to piss on a concrete wall, i got to smell the whiff of cigars floating down the Shevvy end by old fellas who probably aren’t around any more. Listening to the banter of the chaps in the crowd and i was hooked. As the years passed and we reached the Premier League i found myself becoming more and more bored with the money involved, the mercenary of players, managers and chairmen as they became more greedy. When Palacios, Valencia, Roberts, N’Zogbia and even Steve Bruce were moved on or pushed out by either greed or lack of ambition i stopped going, Right around the time we started signing dross like Caldwell x2 etc and being expected to pay for the privilage of watching my team win maybe 2 or 3 home games per season when they could have been and still could have been competitive. Instead the goal was to scrape 17th place on as little as possible when finishing higher up the league had much more financial and recognizable implications. I carried on watching for a few seasons but even then i started to switch off because it was so predictable. Now football in general has become a complete farce. 100m pound transfers. Players on half a million pounds a week. It is becoming less and less of a spectator sport and many more people are switching off. The only way to combat this in my view is to have a worldwide salary cap of £20,000 a week. It’s a damn good living and more clubs become richer for it and it would also combat the mercenary aspect that stalks the game. Players will only move to another club if they want to actually join that said club not because they can offer no money. I could go into more detail but it will take forever.
The squad of 27. 7 are in their 30’s true, so that leaves a lot more of them in the ‘overrated’ bracket. Players like Grigg, Power and Jacobs are nowhere near what is required for the level and i think there is going to be a hefty price to pay for this. They could get a couple of million for Will Grigg because of the ‘chant’ alone probably but would it be re-invested? i doubt it. Although the first player linked in the window could be an exciting signing does it not concern you that the first potential signing is also a free transfer? With noises about a cull happening in January it would concern me as a fan that the only noises or rumours are those of lower league or freebies.
On the budget. Now in 2017 no i don’t expect Wigan to be competing with the likes at the top end of the league but….. They could have grabbed the bull by the horns and gone straight back up in the first place with the right decisions but the decisions in managers and playing staff ever since premiership relegation have been nothing short of embarrassing from a side that won the F.A Cup. The stature of the club was huge at that point, European Football (which was treated as a joke by Coyle) for a side in the Championship to have an F.A Cup and European Football they could have easily, easily attracted a squad of players to walk that league that season and then the money comes rolling in again but typical Whelan decided to strip the club bare of it’s assets during that pre-season and indeed throughout that season and repeated the exact same tactics that got them there in the first place and the less said about Mackay the better. Yes the chairman brought many great memories to the town and to me personally but he also helped me fall out of love with the game i had grown up adoring. The soulless stadium which he hardly paid a penny for, the stripping of the assets, ridiculous media commitments to make his stature grow and now they are headed for a place far darker than then they ever were before he took over. Relegation this season would be absolutely catastrophic, i can’t put into words how devastating that would be to the club but they still have a chance to rescue it… somehow i don;t think that is in the vested interest though.
in my opinion of course
From an outsider looking in with no bias i will throw my view in.
Firstly a massive problem from when i was a ST holder was the ‘jobs for the boys’ mentality that engulfs the club behind the scenes from the boardroom down. Barrow and company need clearing out asap if The Latics are to move forward.
I actually think Joyce has the makings of a very good manager and the first transfer target (albeit controversial) is a dynamic and skillful midfielder in Ravel Morrison. He has been dealt a shitty hand in having to inherit a squad full of over the hill and over hyped players signed by another ‘jobs for the boys’ type appointment (although i also think Caldwell should have been given to the end of the season to rectify it)
The appointment of a chairman in his mid 20’s in my view is just ridiculous. He might be a Latics fan but he doesn’t know what is best for the club and it’s just a decent way of Whelan keeping his hand in. He will be off when grandad tells him it’s time to go.
I cannot believe fans have not yet realised that saying ‘we are playing well, we will come good, we deserve better’ doesn’t wash. After 4 years of saying that with Martinez it has carried on ever since. It’s like some people set very low standards for the club and expect them to be in the lower leagues.You have to earn the right to win and that side is extremely, extremely poor. It’s devoid of any skill or pace bar Yanick. Far too many clumsy loan deals and freebies of players in their 30’s. It smacks of what Blackpool started doing after their time in the Premiership came to an end and now they are near a sticky end. Very similar chairmen in my opinion. Like i said, i think Joyce has the credentials but he is working for an amateur chairman and he won’t spend any money. I can’t see Wigan Athletic getting out of trouble this season and then anything could happen.
But thats all crap as you know. A football team is a little more than a mere business. But if you take away those people who fund the business and keep it going (the fans) what are you left with? A sports club has every obligation to keep its fans, benefactors, shareholders, people who pay money in the loop unless it comprimises business or revenue.
Told you all a few years ago the future of Wigan Athletic and now some of you can see what i saw. In a few years Wigan Athletic will be no more. Dave Whelan has asset stripped the club to death. He constantly sold the better players and replaced them with the cheap option just like he has with managers. He had a chance to try and get Latics straight back up but because Steve McLaren dared to ask for transfer funds he went for Owen Coyle instead. Ever since then good players have been miss-managed and sold on (Forshaw,Tavernier, Waghorn etc) The club is now a complete joke. In the 90’s there was such a buzz about being a Wigan fan, even in the Springfield Park days and pre-Whelan. Now there was a club before Whelan, he pumped money in but he made sure he was taking about 100 times the value back out again. No more financial security after this season. Sharp won’t spend and if they get relegated i think it will be the beginning of the end. If the Latics get relegated they will be dissolved in 5 years. The stadium costs will cripple them because as we all know the real owners of the stadium are the Whelan family and money comes before anything. Changing the ‘welco’ brand to ‘Wigan Athletic Holdings’ doesn’t make it the Latics’ stadium. He is a con man and has been taking you all for a ride for years, occasionally dipping his hand into your wallet for good measure.
Hello chaps remember me. As you know i haven’t been bothering with football for about 6 or 7 years properly however thought i would just log in and congratulate Caldwell on a fantastic job well done. I think the Latics will be a safe mid table shout next season or even play-off contenders again. What Caldwell has learned this season is going to be hugely advantageous next season.
”It’s been fantastic from the club, first and foremost, to fund it……”“The Chairman spoke to me after the game on Saturday and said they were considering it, and Sunday morning it was given the go ahead…”
I think that clarifies who has sorted out the pitch.
Come on George i know you are cleverer than that. The landlords paid for it. Wigan Atletic Holdings. I am pretty sure we all know what it used to be called. The red herring Dave Whelan sold the Latics fans by saying he was going to secure the clubs financial future was simply change the name of his savings account where the fabled warchest kept going. About 600m by my reckoning (and i bet it isn’t far off) Two sports teams rent the stadium of the said landlords and The Latics had better hope they go up in the next 2 years or they will be the ones in the Reebok. People still think the great man had the clubs best interest at heart. That’s why he scarpered when he had sucked all he could out of them, just leaving 9m parachute money and a few assets for his grandson to make his mark in business. Very astute. Very gullible people.
It’s a disgrace isn’t it what the Latics have done to the shared pitch. The Warriors should complain as they pay the same rental costs and contribute so much more in terms of profits.
