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Nobody was happy when wildchutt left but 7 million was a good deal.
Nobody happy now Griggs sold but I would of taken 4 million for a player suited to league 1.Of course, the big difference with Wildschut was he was our only match winner. Others were either not upto it or well out of form. That felt like we were preparing for League 1.
On the other hand, Grigg hasn’t played a big part this season, be it through injury, or Cook not fancying him. Additions like Pilkington, Clarke and Baningime, plus the returning Powell, Jacobs & Massey, offer us much stronger midfield and attacking options. At the back Fox and Olsson will help out the current incumbents, plus a returning Robinson.
We’ve had a strong window from a footballing and financial perspective.
The previous ownership turned down a £10m bid for Powell. Reports where Powell was happy to stay, but with no new contract guarantees, he should have been moved out. Even if it meant us taking a lower share of the fee, and using some to encourage Powell to leave.
With regards to Grigg £4m is a huge fee. IMO his true value is closer to the £1.2m mark, maybe £2m if the buyer is in a panic. We’ve done very well to get that fee. When everyone’s fit I don’t think he’d be in the top three choices. On social media you tend to hear the loudest voices. Speaking to fans on match day there’s a very clear split amongst those who think Grigg’s the best thing since sliced bread, and those who think he’s not Championship quality. That’s takes both away from what he’s achieved in the past. But we need to look forward, improve, and avoid mistakes of the past.
As with the signing of McManaman, the previous ownership have put sentimentality, over what’s best for the club. Many fans have done the same too. On balance I believe we’ve had an excellent window. All of the incomings have improved us and strengthened key areas. Both from a pure footballing perspective and with much needed experience.
Our form is indefensible.
It’s a red herring blaming injuries. Our style of play away from home is unrecognisable. Today the back four hit it long at the first opportunity. Not direct play, aimless play.
Windass and Garner started to form some understanding against Villa with nice link-up play. But Cook continues to shake things up and we end up looking like strangers on the field. Windass and Vaughan never once looked to play each other in, they operated like lone strikers, chasing down long-balls, isolated.
Same can be said for midfield, not that they had much to do today, with the ball flying over their heads. Morsy and Evans should always be paired up. Ideally allowing the former to drive upto the edge of the box and help out in attack. On the right Byrne is wasted, outmuscled, and lacks guile. Stick him in his familiar right-back role and push James into midfield. At least when Pilkington and Massey are unavailable.
This long-ball crap away from home has been going on since October. No one can explain why Cook persists with it. Well, some try, but our points return says it all. And for those hanging onto that 6pt gap to the relegation spots. Let’s focus on ourselves and up expectations. I want us as a club to fulfill our potential and not target one place better than the three worst sides in the division. We all know many clubs in this division have greater resources. But 2pts from 39, away from home, shows we are massively underperforming.
IEC as a company are also not that rich.The current owners of IEC only purchased it around 12 months before they started discussions to buy Latics. The individuals, or at least the ones we know of, are part of a larger investment company called ‘Head & Shoulders’. They go back 15-20 years.
What do people seriously expect in this transfer window?
The January window is notoriously last-minute, as clubs don’t like to release players unless they’ve got a replacement lined up, or they’ll hold on until the final day – trying to get as high a bid for their player as possible.
Plus, the club are hardly going to openly announce who they’re trying to do a deal on or how much they have as a transfer kitty are they?
Your absolutely right lad but it is totally stupid. Many points are available in Jan so why wait till the end and risk losing so many points. If your in a relegation scrap or pushing for promotion why not buy early to give you the boost needed. I will never understand why everything is left to the last day.[/quote]Given the result against Villa I think many would have expected a much better performance at Sheff Wed. Giving us some breathing space to bring the right players in. After last week’s awful performance we’re back to the panic buy mentality.
I’m still of the opinion we’ve had a first eleven and bench to compete strongly even after injuries hit. I don’t think Cook has got the best out of the squad.
Forest away feels like it will be a bit of a defining game for Cook. Everyone is rightfully sick to the back teeth with the away form. But this weekend there’ll be a full 1600+ away end backing the team. We need a positive result but also a performance. If we’re as lacklustre as against Sheff Wed I think you’ll see calls for Cook to go. Hopefully a good result is coming.
If we go into the QPR game on the back of an away loss the match will become a must win. Likely to be the match that determines whether Cook stays or goes. 2pts from these games is the absolute minimum for me.
The aim is survival.
Our form over the last few months suggests we won’t achieve that.
So, to stay up, we need to do better. I’m sure Cook knows that too. But let’s not suggest we’re doing enough right now to meet our goals. We’re keeping our heads above water solely because of our outstanding form at the start of the season.
Another loss being brushed off as ‘one of those things’.
For me Cook has probably reached the end of the line. We’re fast heading into February with no sign of improved away form. I’m sure a narrow away loss at Forest will also be dismissed. If it’s a thumping loss, let’s not forget it will be O’Neill’s first home game, the calls will be overwhelming.
It all feels like we’ve left it too late. If Cook was going it should have been shortly after Christmas. The Villa game gave Cook some respite. But without building on that it’s of little consequence.
Morsy picked up a hamstring injury in training. Could be out for the week or months. Gibson picked up a muscle injury in the warm-up.
Unlucky is a break or knee injury. These muscle injuries are entirely preventable. The odd tweak will always get past the medical staff but we are losing key players for multiple weeks at a time. Worse still Massey is rushed back into action and breaks down again.
Apparently Cook thinks Cole has a bad attitude, hence why hes sent him off on loan.
We sign players and then hardly give them a chance. Always puzzles me.
Why would we give him a chance if he has a bad attitude? Same with Callum. Must be some reason about 7 clubs have fecked him off.[/quote]Does Walker fall into that category as well? Both January signings were here for little over 6 months before being shipped out. If it wasn’t for our injury crises, the need for homegrown players, and fan outcry. I wouldn’t have been surprised to see McManaman moved on after 6 months.
Kipre and James aside, I’m struggling to think of any Cook signings that have made a position their own. Even Evans, who I rate highly, has looked a shadow of the player that started last season. It’s a higher level, but was a highly creative player, both through the middle and with his cross field passes. Not to mention his shooting.
When injuries do strike, it’s players Cook’s familiar with that get the nod, like Roberts and Naismith. I don’t think any of our youngsters have even made the bench in a league game these past 18 months.
Our next five league games are Villa, Sheff Wed, Forest, QPR and Rotherham. As they say, no easy matches. But we need to be looking at 8pts to push out of this poor spell of form. Much less and we’ll head into February in the bottom three.
Easy to say in retrospect. But when we where on that good run it was the time to say we’ve set our standards, now we want to maintain them. Realistically I don’t think anyone expected a sustained play-off push. But mid-table was, and still is, entirely realistic.
During the season I’ve glanced over at the Blackburn forum and they’ve always demanded a play-off push. Unrealistic you may say, but with a similar squad to ourselves, they are now firmly encamped in mid-table. 8pts ahead of us, and if results go as I expect in January, that could be upto 15pts.
Hopefully that’s not the case and we turn it around. For me Blackburn are the club we should be benchmarking ourselves against. Right now we are scrapping around with, amongst others, a Bolton team in utter turmoil and a Rotherham outfit with a fraction of our resources.
I’m not been funny we’ve been on about the Academy since our Prem days. With the training facilities we should have at least 2 or 3 knocking on the door not skimmed out on loan to have lumps kicked out of them in the lower divisions.And, I just hope it’s nothing more than a rumour that were actually taking a look at a young 20 year old centre half from Oldham’s Academy for a reported 400k-500k.
A bit of an embarrassment for our Academy I’d say.In recent years we’ve brought through quite a few players who made it as a Pro at lower league level and in Scottish football. Lang’s the latest and we’ll have to see if he can step-up to the Championship. He seems to have done OK at Oldham. But the big hopes, the ones who are international regulars at their age group, are all 18 or under. Of course we still need to see them given an opportunity.
The only problem is Windass is not good enough for The Championship.He’s been screwed around in different positions, different formations, all of which has coincided with our drop in form. If only we’d stuck with our tried and tested formation and put Windass in the No.10 position when Powell was injured. Maybe by now he’d have formed a decent relationship with Grigg. As it is both are in and out of the team and we’re playing long ball to Garner!
Then again you can say the same about plenty areas of the team. Not least how the Kipre/Dunkley partnership was broken up. Or shoehorning Burn into a full-back slot when last years player of the season was sat on the bench.
There’s a middle ground between the £10m-£15m per player the top teams spend and our current limit of £1m-£2m.
We need to look at signings who can establish us in the Championship and give us a decent return. Someone like James is probably out of our price range. But that sort of age range and potential is who we need to be looking at. You may need to pay £4m-£5m upfront, but could comfortably double your money, when they are ready to move on. Despite his slow start I actually think Windass is a smart signing. I don’t think he’ll ever make it at PL level but could see him doing the rounds in the Championship for the next decade. Even Championship regulars can command very good fee’s.
Longer-term we have to hope our youth system delivers so we’re less reliant on incomings. All of this demands IEC dip into their pockets…..but they have to be looking at a 5-10 year business plan. Something Whelan had when he first arrived, but absent in recent years, as he looked to sell.
50/50 is about right.
We have to give him the benefit of the doubt and hope the board back him. After the next five league games, culminating in Rotherham away, we’ll know for certain.
Forthcoming league fixtures:
Villa H
Sheff Wed A
Forest A
QPR H
Rotherham AThat takes us to Feb 9th.
I can’t see us getting much more than 5pts. In reality I think we need 10pts to consider ourselves past the poor form we’ve been in since early October.
I can see them quein up n all sh77Your problem is you have such desperately low expectations for this club we could sink into the bottom three and you’d say, “Well, what more can we expect”.
This club has facilities the envy of many. Stadium facilities which haven’t been maximised since the purse strings started to be tightened. At least 10k empty seats in the home end, no attempts to bring in schools, youth groups, as in the old days of the JJ’s Club. Each season we’ve seen season tickets (relatively) drop off, the number of youngsters drop away, corporate boxes and sponsorship slashed. The club is slowly dying before our eyes because the previous ownership had been looking to sell ever since we failed to make it back to the PL before the parachute money ran out.
Away from the spotlight we have great training facilities and excellent youth teams throughout the age groups. If we don’t invest to at least Cat 2 status, something likely reliant on remaining in the Championship, many of our brightest prospects could to be lost for a pittance. Given the crazy transfer prices who knows how much some of those players could be worth if they continue to shine at U18 & U21 level.
No one is asking to gamble away our future chasing a PL dream. We need sensible investment to establish ourselves at this level. Because quite frankly, the footballing and commercial realities, demand it. If we think Cook can do it, back him.
If you want names:-Harry redknapp
Sam allardyce
Steve bruceAll available i believe.
David Moyes
Slavisa Jokanovic
Nigel Pearson
Carlos Carvalhal
Steve Clarke
Gary BowyerNot saying any are better or worse. But there are options out there. Better chances of attracting them if a decent transfer budget was available. We obviously haven’t got huge funds. But after a protracted 18 month, £24m takeover, and knowing how imperative it is stay in the Championship. You’d hope decent transfer funds had been factored in to at least put us on a stable platform. Once achieved, then you can start looking longer-term at youth systems, and making money through transfer dealings.
Not too long ago people where taking the p*** out of McClaren. I see today QPR are on the brink of the play-off’s. There’s a lot to be said for experience at this level.
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