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I’m in that hard-core who has been gang since we had 3000 at Springfield, but even I am, reluctantly, going to have to think about things.
It’s a shame, because when you support a club…it’s what you do. You go the game. But I’m just not sure the increase is worthy of how we are at the moment and how we stand as a club. I also think it madness the prices are out and yet no manager in place and a bit unsure what players we will still have. Or will we all fork out and then sell Powell and Morsy on the eve of the season? And replace them with frees from Oxford and Chesterfield, and an 18 year old loan from Leeds?Club is very slow at everything…except trying to get money off us. New kit? Not a dicky bird. Friendlies? Not a whisper. Other clubs think ahead so much better.
Are you going next season Dave, or what?
The suspense is killing me.Once sat next to Ray Woods on a flight to Florida. He was with Coventry at the time and told me a story about playing against Tony Dorigo and how fast he was. He’d gone past Dorigo on one occasion after he’d slipped and gone to ground. Now Woods was no slouch and set off down the wing but was surprised to hear someone catching him up. He said he was even more surprised to find it was Dorigo who’d got up, turned around and caught him. He couldn’t believe how fast he was and although they were both First Division players came as a realisation of the gulf between the likes of himself and someone like Dorigo who an England player at the time.
To put whether he’s good enough for Lge1, in 20 starts & 6 sub appearances for Oldham this season he scored the sum total of zero goalsWas he playing the lone-striker role? :dry:
Whilst I agree with you JR about not getting carried away and the league difference I think Lostock was making a simple point about us loaning in inaffective players yet loaning out our own youngsters with potential. Since we had pissed on our chips after the Bristol City home game we wasted an opportunity to look at or blood in players like this in preparation for next season. But God only knows what the terms where for the loan shite we had masquerading as Latics players this season.Your argument is that the young players at the club and those loaned out are better options than those brought in on loan simply because they are not loanees. I don’t see the logic in that.
It’s one thing “blooding” the odd rookie player in a team that is doing well like last season but a totally different issue when you are struggling and in a relegation fight. If I recall correctly we weren’t relegated until the Reading game which was eight games after Bristol City. I can imagine the meltdown on here should Barrow have adopted that policy and still have been relegated perhaps a few games earlier.
Whelans been tryna sell for years
Problem being whelan wants to sell the club but not the stadium or training grounds so he can charge rent for the use of them
Good for him but not good to any potential buyer has they would have no assets but players._.Saying that the best have been flogged off already[/quote]And there’s your opportunity bicky.
start your own business by opening a market stall then grow it into a multi-million-pound organisation by astute acquisitions and shrewd business acumen then you can buy both the club and stadium from Whelan and make yourself even richer.
It’s definitely somebody on your list of “oh No’s”
If it’s Stubbs then I despair. I really do.
When will they learn? Are the admin of our club actually THICK? It just reeks of another Coyle…ex Bolton man again. Same as Joyce as well. I hoped that for once, the club would surprise me and prove me wrong, but if they actually do this…and they’ve just actively and openly DENIED it, then can we ever trust them ever again?[/quote]
No, they’re not thick. Bar Sharpe, the club’s directors and senior admin staff are all experienced and very well educated.But who you see as the ideal candidate may not be the best candidate in their eyes-as there are financial constraints and they can only take into account managers who live in the North West or who are willing to move here.
And don’t forget, they have to work with this person on a day-to-day basis. So if they are a right w@nker who’s likely to make their life hell, they’ll not be keen on giving them the job.[/quote]
In other words, another ‘Yes Man’ then.
Ffs…..[/quote]
What do you mean by a “Yes Man” and what exactly is he going to be saying yes to?
They could survive if they win all their remaining games despite showing no evidence of doing so and all the others get beat. Oh hang on, where have I heard shite talk like that before?Biggest doom and gloom monger on this forum, bar none. It must be a barrel of laughs in your household. Your avatar has been aptly chosen.
Barrow gets the job and it will save me a few quid as well! Backwards move in my opinion and like I have said before, a clear out is needed! As for ex players Martinez, Jewell and Caldwell. Martinez was employed when we had reached the Prem, there was a lot more money to play with and we were attracting half decent players. Jewell had the initial injection of cash from Whelan in the master plan that came to fruition courtesy of a couple of decent strikers that cost a few quid and Caldwell had parachute money and not too bad a squad left over from The Championship and so that was a doddle by any manager’s standards in my opinion, even Coyle and McKay could have pulled that one off! No room for sentiment in football, especially when things don’t appear to be hunky dory!
I agree Jewell did enjoy the benefit of Whelan’s cash but others before him had failed with the same cash potential. Martinez was appointed after Whelan had decided he could no longer bankroll the club. He kept us in the Premiership for three seasons, almost a fourth, AND won the FA Cup on the lowest budget of any PL club. Caldwell did not inherit too bad a squad at all – most were cleared out – but had money to build a brand new team for which we didn’t necessarily pay over the odds to assemble. His sacking is still considered by many to have been premature.
On the other hand Coyle and Rosler enjoyed the lion’s share of the parachute payments and still failed. Joyce was just a very bad choice.[/quote]
But Coyle and Rosler were not ex players. My point was the 3 ex players you mentioned that have managed us did have a little help shall we say! Caldwell’s style for me was not working in The Championship and being a sort of protégé of Martinez he had appeared to have developed that certain obstinate nature! His dismantling of a half decent squad was baffling and he was out of his depth in my opinion![/quote]
I’ll put it a different way then by saying ALL managers under Whelan had money to spend. Those that had success by winning something were predominately former players. The exceptions being Barrow first time around (although he can be credited for steering the club away from the threat of relegation after Swain’s departure) and Greenall who was never officially appointed and never had money to spend. The only exceptions from the non ex players are Deehan, who won promotion, and Mathias who won the Football League Trophy.
That lad gets through more break up play than any other player… he does a lot of unnoticed work horc.
He ain’t a flair player, he’s a defensive mid which is why you don’t see him up front. Interesting how you pick him out for being shot shy when we have so called “flair” players who do absolutely jack s***.He just bores the tits off me.[/quote]
Seems like we’ve identified our scapegoat then. Among the plethora of average, inept, negative, unimaginative midfielders in our squad he’s come out tops.
Who do you want as the next boss? I haven’t seen you name anyone definitive yet. ;)
I don’t know who this question was aimed towards but I would have Nigel Adkins. However, I think it will be Barrow.[/quote]
Was aimed at vat sorry. He has posted about 50 times that he wants Pearson.[/quote]
Can anyone see Pearson and Whelan getting along with each other?
And according to Wikipedia Alan Stubbs is our manager…..!
Barrow gets the job and it will save me a few quid as well! Backwards move in my opinion and like I have said before, a clear out is needed! As for ex players Martinez, Jewell and Caldwell. Martinez was employed when we had reached the Prem, there was a lot more money to play with and we were attracting half decent players. Jewell had the initial injection of cash from Whelan in the master plan that came to fruition courtesy of a couple of decent strikers that cost a few quid and Caldwell had parachute money and not too bad a squad left over from The Championship and so that was a doddle by any manager’s standards in my opinion, even Coyle and McKay could have pulled that one off! No room for sentiment in football, especially when things don’t appear to be hunky dory!I agree Jewell did enjoy the benefit of Whelan’s cash but others before him had failed with the same cash potential. Martinez was appointed after Whelan had decided he could no longer bankroll the club. He kept us in the Premiership for three seasons, almost a fourth, AND won the FA Cup on the lowest budget of any PL club. Caldwell did not inherit too bad a squad at all – most were cleared out – but had money to build a brand new team for which we didn’t necessarily pay over the odds to assemble. His sacking is still considered by many to have been premature.
On the other hand Coyle and Rosler enjoyed the lion’s share of the parachute payments and still failed. Joyce was just a very bad choice.
Cant see why you would give Barrow the job. We have conceded a lot of goals since he took over whilst still setting up defensively. Not entirely his fault through injuries but he has been sacked before from the job. He would not be my choice neither would Jewell or Jones. I think we need refreshing a different direction and I certainly believe that David Sharpe needs the right guy this time . The lad is under pressure after what’s happened and he needs a good season as well. I still believe in most of the players if coached well and I’m optimistic if we bring in the right guy. YAMS.
Appoint the right guy then, just like that!
Caldwell was the right guy last season.
Rosler was three seasons ago.And why not give Barrow a chance? We are conceding goals because we are being less negative and defensive. Out of the six games he’s been in charge we’ve won two, scored eight goals in total of four and lost by the odd goal to the top two teams.
And the last time we appointed someone from within the club we won the league.[/quote]
So the best criteria is an ex player who knows the club. The coaching staff is mostly ex players is it not?. How many have come through the academy to become regulars in the first team?. Why have we so many loanees at the club when our own youngsters have been farmed out?. Ex players don’t mean they are the right men for the job. Something at Wigan Athletic clearly isn’t working at the minute despite having Barrow Atherton Doolan etc here that’s why I believe we need refreshing up a bit. Sammy, of course its gonna be hard to find the right man and for David Sharpe,s sake I hope he finds him ex player or not. Sentiment is great but only if it works.[/quote]
You mean ex-players such as Jewell, Martinez and Caldwell as opposed to Coyle, Mackay and Joyce, who were not? And could the club afford someone like Bruce or Rosler, for whom compensation was paid to Brentford, given there is no longer the financial clout to do that again? And I’m not saying Barrow is the best choice but I’d have him over some of the other suggestions being banded about on here.
Regarding the academy, do you think Wigan Athletic is going to be the first choice for the best local talent? We might drop lucky occasionally but are you really saying some of those that came through in recently times are good enough to hold a first team place? They have been farmed out because they didn’t make the grade. And loanees are part and parcel of today’s game. Sometimes you win, Wildschut for example.
It isn’t sentiment at all. Whelan isn’t going to splash the cash anymore so the club will have make use of its resources in the most cost effective way. Some people will have difficulty with that, mainly those who have only known the good times, but it’s how it’s going to be so get used to it.
Cant see why you would give Barrow the job. We have conceded a lot of goals since he took over whilst still setting up defensively. Not entirely his fault through injuries but he has been sacked before from the job. He would not be my choice neither would Jewell or Jones. I think we need refreshing a different direction and I certainly believe that David Sharpe needs the right guy this time . The lad is under pressure after what’s happened and he needs a good season as well. I still believe in most of the players if coached well and I’m optimistic if we bring in the right guy. YAMS.Appoint the right guy then, just like that!
Caldwell was the right guy last season.
Rosler was three seasons ago.And why not give Barrow a chance? We are conceding goals because we are being less negative and defensive. Out of the six games he’s been in charge we’ve won two, scored eight goals in total of four and lost by the odd goal to the top two teams.
And the last time we appointed someone from within the club we won the league.
What Is surprising is why Caldwell was fired so soon. Granted the results weren’t good and we were at the wrong end of the table but it wasn’t as if we were getting battered every week. If we’d had a decent striker we’d have been mid-table at that point. Plus he was sacked after losing 1-0 to the team that will win the league. Hard to understand it was for footballing reasons only, which is why I can’t see him returning.
Joyce was given far more time to turn things around even though the performances were getting worse but it’s embarrassing and costly to sack someone you’ve headhunted and put on a three year contract.
The other Joyce failure, although not entirely his fault, was the January transfer window fiasco by bringing in loanees no better than those shipped out, players nowhere near match fitness and some just not up to Championship standard.
So, if you are going to risk a rookie manager best to do it at the start of the season (it worked last time). Appoint the more experienced guy if things don’t turn out, if you can persuade one willing to come to Wigan. And not Jewell. He had his time here and thanks for the memories but has done bugger all since.
Rosler? The pressure and expectation got the better of him last time and League One might be his level…. oh hang on!
All that said if the players aren’t good enough for the league they’re in it’s always going to be an uphill task.
Well the four who were not midfielders were Haugard, Warnock, Burn and Buxton. The other Sevens favoured positions are midfield.
This puts Overhyped and Hanson out of position.
Power has been out of form all season and Haugard well that speaks for itself.So who would you play up front instead of Obertan?
Who you you play at right back instead of Hanson?
Power isn’t out of form he’s just not good enough at this level but I don’t think there is an obvious replacement. And if Barrow has been ordered to play Haugaard how can that be his fault.Using you logic every game has had players out of position, including the last two which were won, which is hardly surprising given the number of midfield players in the squad, whatever your definition of that might be, and that’s not Barrow’s fault either.
Easy to be a smart arse after the event.
The bottom line is, whoever you play in whatever position, the players at our disposal are not good enough at this level which is why we are where we are and nailed on for relegation.
