TyldesleyLatic

Myself & 2 fellow darksiders will be making rare appearances on Sunday too
Mind you we’re only going to whinge & moan – Bloody rubbish latics. Get gone Bobby lad & so on!! ;)

In the words of George Clinton “Let’s tear the roof off the sucker!!”

Jason Scotland had played in Bobby’s “set-up” for 2 seasons prior to him following his boss to Latics & during that time had scored the best part of 40 goals in the lower leagues, so i don’t think his failure at Latics was due to the set up not being his style
It was more a case of him not being good enough for the top flight & he wouldn’t have been no matter what team or what set up he was playing in

Boselli I haven’t seen enough of to comment but being top scorer in South America & on the fringes of the Argentina World Cup squad would indicate that he is good enough at the highest level but it was blatantly obvious that he can’t play up front on his own – something that as someone else has said was pointed out to him by our former director of football prior to Whelan authorising a bid for him. It was also somet the BBC south american football correspondent pointed out on his blog before the season started

Just give Bobby time & he might start to realise these things too!!! ;)

Duke – You use players like Bramble (not signed by Bruce), Watson, Mido (who incidentally was not here when Martinez arrived) & someone else as the type of donkey players that Martinez inherited from Bruce

Those players might not be everyone’s cup of tea but under Bruce Bramble looked a superb defender & was part of a back 4 that had one of the best records in the division. Within months Bobby had turned him into a rabbit trapped in the headlights. IMO Bramble was also a better defender than any of the centre halves that Bobby has brought in
With regards to Watson – would this be the same Ben Watson that Bruce barely played after signing but who Bobby now picks every week (over players that he himself has brought in) & who to be fair to both Watson & Bobby is now playing pretty well more often than not?
With regards to Mido a) Bobby didn’t inherit him & b) he was no worse than 3 strikers that Bobby has paid a combined total of around £12mill for
And on Brown – did a great job for Latics & certainly a better one than anyone who has occupied that position since (IMO)
I do get your general point that guardiola has better players at his disposal & so that is why he’s had more success in trying to play the same style of football but to simply give their names as players who Bobby inherited who aren’t good enough doesn’t tell the whole picture

And linked to that, earlier in the article you mention that Guardiola has Messi to fire in the goals yet Bobby has had to work with Gomez, Scotland & Di Santo
Yep that is undoutedly true & would be a handicap on anyone but who was it who signed Gomez saying that “he will be the creative hub of the team, I have no doubts that he is good enough for the premier league”? Who was it who signed Jason Scotland & in response to questions as to whether a 31yr old Scottish league journeyman who had had 2 good seasons in the English lower leagues would be good enough for the premier league said somet along the lines of “I’ve worked with him for the last 2 seasons & have absolutely no doubt that he is good enough”. And finally who was it who (in a time when the club has less cash to splash than it used to) spent a rumoured £4.5mill on a striker with a record of 1 goal in 30 odd top flight appearances??
You got it in one – It was Bobby. So if he is handicapped by having to work with those players then its his own fault

That said, trying to compare Martinez to Guardiola has given me one of the best laughs I’ve had in ages!!! And fair play for trying

No I’m not claiming the anti-Martinez camp outnumber the pro-Martinez camp 10 to 1. I never said that & nor by referring to your stats could that be inferred. Your own research shows that from the games selected there were 69 anti-Bobby posts & 13 pro-Bobby posts so I make that about 5.3 to 1 just using those stats alone.
From the Latics fans I know as friends & talk to through work not one of them thinks Bobby is up to the job.
When I’ve been to games this season the overwhelming number of people sat round thing don’t think he’s up to the job from the comments I hear.
So I’d say that the anti-Martinez camp does outnumber the pro-Martinex camp & that’s reflected in the number of posts you have shown
I haven’t seen a poll on here asking whether Bobby is up to the job & certainly haven’t voted in one so I can’t acknowledge your 50/50 claim one way or the other although as I’ve said it isn’t my own personal experience

As I’ve said as sure as you can guarantee “Bobby Out” posts after a defeat & often who will post them I can guarantee that after every good performance or victory there will be “Where are the darksiders now?”, “The Corner has been turned” etc.. and often you can guess who will have posted them

Its so blatantly obvious that even Aghahowa, unmarked in the middle of goal with not even the keeper to beat, couldn’t miss

In summary and to stop me :angry-banghead: , yes you can guarantee darkside posts after every defeat but likewise there are lightside posts in the opposite circumstances & even your own stats back that up. Also yes there are more darkside posts than lightside ones after each type of result but its my belief that the darkside is bigger in number than the lightside & by a relatively large margin

No white flags ;)

I don’t give bad decisions – I give correct ones!!!! ;)
Your comment however illustrates one of the points I was making
If Latics go down it will be because the manager, squad etc.. were not good enough. If Latics stay up it will be because they were good enough. Any team in the land will point to any number of decisions given or not given by the ref & their opponents will point to any number that did go there way

As for the other parts of your reply – I didn’t miss your point at all. I merely replied & said that IF latics stay up & if there is some progression on last season then he deserves credit for that & I will give it to him.
I merely also pointed out that IF Latics go down & IF we then proceed to struggle next season then thos on the lightside, by the same token, should hold there hands up & say you know what he isn’t/wasn’t good enough & won’t be no matter how long he is given in the job
I don’t recall mentioning anywhere that you had started any threads praising Bobby nor that there were as many pro-Bobby threads as there were anti-Bobby threads. However, whilst you brought that up there are regular lead articles on this websites homepage that are pro-Bobby & which accuse those who don’t think he’s up to the job & are vocal about it as “not true supporters” including 2 in the last week

IMO supporters of latics (pro or anti Bobby) are entitled to voice their opinions of whether they do or don’t think he’s the right man for the job at any point during the course of a season and or offer him praise/criticism after any game as they see fit. You’re right though that its ridiculous to say he’s relegated us (or kept us up) at any point until that is mathematically certain
One other thing I would take issue with in what you said however was the comment that many of the darkside are on here like washer women after every defeat telling everyone he isn’t good enough. Whilst its true to a certain extent when you come on here after Latics have played well & got a good result you can guarantee that they’ll be numerous posts claiming “where are all the whinging darkside tonight? They don’t like it when Bobby rams their claims down their throats etc..”
One follows the other (in both cases) as sure as night follows day – its just more noticeable from the darkside & therefore appears far mroe regularlay coz the team loses far more than it wins & bad performances have tended to outweigh the good uns

I will praise a manager at a season’s end if he has made some form of progress on the previous season.

So if Latics stay up & in the process get more points & have a better goal difference than last season then Bobby will have made progress & he deserves credit for it – its also only my opinion but I do think that by & large the level of performances (if not results) have improved since February so I’ll credit him with that too.

I don’t think that long term he’s the right man for the job nor do I subscribe to his belief that if we stay up this season then the club will really kick on next season but I hope ot be proved wrong.

That said however jrfatfan – your list of all the things he’s had to put up with just reads like an apologists list & conveniently glosses over the many things he has got wrong at times & the things he continues to get wrong.
The dismissal of him wasting £6.5mill of the club’s money on Boselli as a gamble worth taking but which unfortunately back fired & Bobby can’t be blamed conveniently glosses over he fact that our former director football reported back to Whelan that he didn’t think that a) he was up to the rigours of the premier league & b) was suited to Bobby’s system. Which in turn led to Bobby kicking off, the director of football leaving, Bobby getting his way & a very substantial & scarce amount of money getting wasted. Football is all about opinions but Bobby got it badly wrong with Boselli & if Latics stay up despite this mistake it was a mistake that Bobby must take full responsibility for
Likewise blaming poor refereeing is the refuge of the desparate – I say that as a ref who copped an earful yesterday at full time from a player who said I cost his team the game. The same player who had blasted a penalty 10 yards over the bar in the 1st half yet it was my fault they lost!! latics will have had as many ropey reffing decisions go their way as they will have had go against them. if they go down its coz they weren’t good enough & not coz of the referees

If you want to see the “darkside” praise Bobby if Latics stay up then by the same token if Latics go down this season & then struggle next season & he is sacked or hsi contract isn’t renewed I hope that those on the “lightside” who have said that “he just needs time” will hold their hands up & say “sorry Darkside, you were right all along he just wasn’t up to the job” – or will it all have been the ref’s fault or down to “international call ups”?????

I quite like it as a spectator sport at times (depending on the game) & have played (end enjoyed it) at school & university
but I don’t have anywhere enough interest in it to have the desire to fork out my hard earned cash to watch it on a regular basis or even to have a team whose results I look out for – at a push my team would either be Leigh (being a bongsmon) who I have paid to watch in the past or St Helens (being my adopted hometown)

I dislike the Warriors & their supporters with a passion for reasons too long winded & dull to go in to