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Paul Cook now 5-4 fav but would he leave Pompey
He may want to come back to the North West.
He’s done well at both Chesterfield and Portsmouth and would be a good appointment in my opinion.
Don’t know how true it is though as there’s a different favourite every other day.[/quote]
I can’t see it being true to be honest as we’re in the same division & some US group are trying to buy them & inject a fair bit of cash.
However you may be right & he wants a return to the north west.
I happen to know a bloke who is a long term family friend of the Cook family so I will put my feelers out to see if there’s any truth in itDepends if you think that Caldwell was totally responsible for the summer recruitment, or if someone else (who maybe has since left the club) was…
Caldwell is totally responsible he started this car crash of a season and butchered the squad that gave him a league title.[/quote]
Last year’s squad needed butchering – it wasn’t good enough for the Championship. his mistakes were trying to change the system & buying players who either weren’t suited to that system &/or no better than the ones he’d pushed aside. I also don’t think that he handled the Morgan, Morsy & Pearce situations very well
I’d also argue that the butchering (or squad strengthening) should have gone further – he made no attempt to strengthen the forward line & was content to go with Grigg, Wildschutt & Jacobs with next to no proven (if any) back up. Common sense should have told him that there was a reason why Grigg & Jacobs had been sold/released by several Championship clubs between them.
He put too much faith in Power (who personally I didn’t think that much of at Lge1 level) also.In his defence, he wasn’t helped by bad or continuing injuries to James, Daniels, Gilbey
You can argue about formations until the cows come home. The fact is whatever formation we played this season the emphasis was on caution and not getting beat and as a result of that and the lack of positivity going forward we scored fuck all and most people know that you have to score to win! Rosler had the right mindset when he first took over with his rapid movement through midfield within so many seconds tactic but for some strange reason something went wrong and he lost the dressing room and eventually the confidence of his chairman?Rosler talked that tactic but he sure as hell never played it. Ever.
at the end of the day, there is no right or wrong formation per se. The right formation is the one that suits the players you have at your disposal.
Last summer, Caldwell seemed to make the decision to abandon the 4-3-3 system that one him Lge1 (it wasn’t 1 up top) & go for a wing back system. problem was that the players he had weren’t suited to that system & in all honesty many weren’t good enough for the championship – that became clear during pre-season. Another problem was that many of the players that he assumed would be able to handle the system & the step up (Grigg, Power, Jacobs, Wildschutt) either couldn’t or blew hot & cold. A final problem was that most of the players he did bring in were either garbage or not suited to the system either.
Latics weren’t scoring exactly free scoring early doors but the goals were there but Caldwell got the jitters at the 4-3 defeat to Forest & decided to tighten it up at the back. It worked but the goals dried up. He couldn’t get the balance right.
Joyce came in & clearly didn’t rate the squad & decided to go for an approach of being hard to beat & nicking goals on the break. I thought it looked good against Huddersfield but he didn’t have the players for that system long term either. His recruitment was even worse than Caldwell’s & he just retreated into a more & more defensive set up.We didn’t go down coz we played one up top
There have been some shocking decisions and I don’t think anybody is denying that, but when people sit there and throw names around like Nigel Pearson for manager and say we should be signing player A, B or C who would all command a big fee and wage then they have clearly lost the plot.
Like Standish said, the last manager who asked for money was told to do one and did.
It’s time pack up then.
Simple as that. Either have a good go at it, or don’t frigging bother. Can’t keep running club way we are, Scrattin about.
So much for all those premiership seasons of the club being “well ran”. Really? Because of there’s jack all in the pot now, I don’t see that as being well ran.
Appoint a decent manager or pack up.[/quote]
There has always got to be a little bit of speculating to accumulate but for the club to exist long term it cannot throw money that it does not have at situations in order to climb back up the leagues.
The club has a budget (every other club does – some bigger & some smaller). Latics budget is what it is but the club is having a good go at it with the funds that it has available. They’ve made good decisions & they’ve made some shockers but its a simple fact of life that if an person or organisation spends money that it does not have, then one day that will catch up with themPearson is top candidate, by a country mile.
At one time, I’d have said McClaren, but no, I think his stock has decreased with recent failings.
Jackett might be a steady man to sort us out again.Personally, I’m not interested in Jones, Rosler, or the dude from Lincoln. No disrespect, but that’s scraping the barrel.
The club would have a chance with Jackett I’d imagine but there’s not a cat in hells chance that Pearson would ever come.
I wouldn’t touch McClaren with a barge pole & never would have but even he ain’t gonna consider a Lge1 club.Like it or not Jones, Rosler & Cowley are our realistic targets[/quote]
Disagree with you. If you don’t ask, you don’t get. Might be surprised.
Not a personal attack at anyone this, but qsome of our fans are very small minded, as small minded as the club in fact. Why? Is it just a Wiganer trait? Seriously? I’m thinking of years ago when wigan miners ate humble pie and broke the strike by going back to work….is the ‘thinking small’ thing just a trait?
Some of the names being mentioned….it absolutely f***ing terrifies me! Luton manager? Lincoln manager? Are you having a laugh? Are you Bolton fans on the pisstake?
Jaysus tonight…[/quote]
The point is though Vat that you are talking about a manager who is widely credited with setting up Leicester to win the premier league last season. I know he went to Derby but they’re not short of a few bob & we’re aiming for the top flight.
No way on earth is he a) gonna move to a Lge1 club without a pot to pish in who (to outsiders) look like they are on a long term slide & b) are unlikely to be able to meet his wage demands
By all means ask him but I think we all know what his answer would be. You need to realise that Latics are no longer the club they were 5 or 6 years ago & need to set their sights accordingly.
Using your theory of not taking a risk on lower league managers, Sheff Utd would never have gone for Chris Wilder from Northampton & would have continued throwing money at “big name” managers who’ve wasted it & left them floundering in Lge1 for 6 years. As it was they did take a risk on a lower league manager & it workedPearson is top candidate, by a country mile.
At one time, I’d have said McClaren, but no, I think his stock has decreased with recent failings.
Jackett might be a steady man to sort us out again.Personally, I’m not interested in Jones, Rosler, or the dude from Lincoln. No disrespect, but that’s scraping the barrel.
The club would have a chance with Jackett I’d imagine but there’s not a cat in hells chance that Pearson would ever come.
I wouldn’t touch McClaren with a barge pole & never would have but even he ain’t gonna consider a Lge1 club.Like it or not Jones, Rosler & Cowley are our realistic targets
Those who seem happy to want Uwe back & who also believe in the importance of pre-season need to remember what an absolute balls up of the pre-season he made, which culminated in one game having to be cancelled as his fitness regime had em all dropping like flies
In fact so much was wrong with what happened between May 2014 & his sacking in the Autumn that I’m staggered anybody could want him back.
He also hadn’t learnt his lessons coz from speakign with a Leeds fan I work with he was makign the same mistakes there
I agree with a lot of what you say apart from needless changes to the squad.
Personally I think that a lot needed to be made, Caldwell knew that but (from comments made in late pre-season) seemed to have trouble convincing the board. The problem about the squad overhaul was that a) the vast majority of the players brought in were worse than what we had & b) too much faith was put in some of the other players being able to make that step up (Grigg, Power, Jacobs, Perkins, Wildschut – personally I had doubts about all of them & as it happened I think only 1 made a success of the step up & even he blew hot & cold).
After a very poor pre-season Caldwell started to make noises about needing to be backed & then he seemed to make a glut of panic buys during late August.
But as I say, personally I think a squad overhaul was needed & I don’t think (with the exception of Morsy) that any of those let go/sold/loaned would have made the situation any better.What was becoming worrying about Caldwell (in addition to incoming transfers) was:
a) he abandoned the formation that brought him success in Lge1 & seemed to become obsessed with playing with Bobby’s formation. Problem being his existing players weren’t suited to that way (as had been the case at the start of the previous season) & he seemed unable to identify players to bring in who were suited to it
b) the previous season one of his strengths had been if he’d got his set up wrong to begin with, he could identify that & change it for the better. In the Championship he just seemed to freeze & leave it as he’d initially set up. No changes in formation, substitutions left too late etc..Basically, the things that had impressed me about him in Lge1 he seemed to abandon. He needed to go & his relationship with Sharpe had obviously broken down
Having watched most of the games this season home and away, I can understand why some fans, including me, genuinely feel that we are actually unlucky to go down.Apart from the odd games we have competed in every one and been in those games for the majority of the 90 mins.
Individual errors have cost us, its not that teams have battered us into submission they haven’t.
I would say we have bossed probably 75% of the 46 games we’ve played but ended up missing the chances we have created and other teams have punished us for the errors we’ve made.Before anyone calls me deluded, I am as fair as anyone when having my post match chat, if teams have been better than us I say that.
Take a look at the injuries we have had to contend with, in particularly key positions including arguably our best striker, Will Grigg and for the run in his replacement Omar Bogle, two of our best midfielders in Powell and Gilbey, our best right back come wing back, Donovan Daniels, two left backs to put pressure on Warnock, Reece James and Andy Kellett, Captain Morgan for quite a few games, goal keepers galore whether you thought they were good enough or not, don’t forget losing Bogdan and Jussi lead to us getting that disaster from Stoke.
The sacking of Caldwell, which IMHO was a tad too early. As per the previous season in league one, it took him a while to sort out his best team and gel the players, it was ironic that “Caldwell’s team” beat Cardiff away days after he was sacked and that might have put his sacking on hold, who knows what might have happened.
The gamble taken when putting Joyce in charge back fired, it led to a shed full of loan signings and the squad changed shape again. OK that was Sharpy’s mistake and he realises that now, but it looked like a decent appointment at the time.
Can anyone honestly say that that having watched Latics all season that there was only one team in the championship that looked worse than us?
I know people say the league never lies and after 46 games we had the second least points of 23 teams, but taking everything into consideration I really think we did not deserve to go down.
If you think they did, fair enough that’s your opinion, but its certainly not down to playing united and Liverpool pre-season, these are games that;
a} generate welcomed income,
b} bring in a a lot of fans that may just get hooked into watching us more often.
c} give the players the opportunity to test themselves against top class players.Nowt wrong with the above, to me its more about getting the players to gel, so get that right during pre-season, if we play Macclesfield lets put our first team out and not a team of kids.
Here’s to a great season in league Uno.
Sorry jr but I don’t think I could disagree any more with the comment that Latics were “unlucky to go down”
Latics got relegated because we deserved to go down, pure & simple.
We lacked any kind of cutting edge whatsoever because the management at the club decided that was an area they didn’t need to strengthen. Disastrous decision
They vast majority of players who were voluntarily released/sold/let out on loan were the right players to get rid of but the recruitment was diabolical with 1 or 2 exceptions.
The loan signings were appalling coupled with the “if fit must play” clauses that the club agreed to they were a recipe for disaster.On the game side itself, true very few teams steamrolled us, but we were so easy to contain, they didn’t need to.
Injuries didn’t help but very few, if any, would have addressed the lack of cutting edge up front.
Latics were so one paced & one dimensional that it was painful to watch – even more so when Yanic was flogged.We’re Latics the 2nd worst team in the division? Yes, clearly. And by some stretch.
To write the season off as unlucky negates the many, many mistakes that were made from the end of last season to the present day. Thankfully those in charge seem to have acknowledged mistakes were made but I hope they recognise them all (including the ones they made) & take steps to address themHe has to date personally invested ten million in the club
We received 7 million for 1 player![/quote]
You really haven’t a clue how football finances work, have you?[/quote]
Is anyone gonna tell laticssince78 that you meant the bloke at Fleetwood has invested £10million & not DW???
Having read up on a few things, I’d be amazed if Fleetwood are still in the football league in 10 years time
I don’t know why people are surprised by Barrow’s approach to games coz that’s exactly how he used to do when he was in charge in the 90’s
Vat69 – it was Scarborough that Pat Gavin scored against from near the half way line in an FA Cup game
The only game of his I saw was away at Huddersfield. I thought that he was the only player who didn’t pull his weight.
Based on that then I’d get rid
I detest Nob End but just had a look at their line up today at Huddersfield.
Started with two up top and McGeady out wide. The bench also had three strikers sat there.
Please Sharpie bring a manager in who is prepared to set up a side with this intention.
Yes I know the Nobbers lost but they’ve lost a lot less than us this season.
Gilks???? He should be playing but it could just be about saving a few Bob to loan some fifth choice midfielder from Liverpool or Utd next season.Preston lost. Latics beat Huddersfield at their own place.
2 up top & 3 strikers on the bench doesn’t always mean results
