TyldesleyLatic

They absolved themselves of their parental responsibilities in the evenings on that holiday. Even their “checks” were nothing of the sort & the only reason Kate McCann went in the kids room on that 10pm check that night was because the door of the room slammed when she went to close it.
Madeline had also been crying that day that she didn’t want to be left alone at night as she’d been scared when she’d woken up the night before. And they still went ahead & did it anyway.
Their actions as parents on that holiday were disgraceful in my opinion & you can bet if some woman from Platt Waz nipped out of an evening to go to the bingo hall & left her kids at home, checked on em every half hour & one went missing then she’d be pilloried by all and sundry. If you’re middle class & eating tapas in the Algarve it seems you operate under different rules.
For one of the parents to say they “aren’t the ones who gave done something wrong here” beggars belief. I also heard the mum say in the immediate aftermath that “we’ve all done it” – no we haven’t

That said they have paid the ultimate horrendous price for their selfishness & stupidity and I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.
In my opinion if the police either find her alive or discover she was killed & bring whoever did it to justice then £5million or however much it ends up costing will be money well spent

I would hazard a guess that it would be impossible for any other manager ever to win the FA Cup with Latics in 2013!!! ;)

So, you want to play two strikers, something that hardly any decent team/manager does these days, and you’d be happy to do it with 2 midfielders playing there?

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I said it a million times during Bobby’s reign but I’ll bore everyone with my thoughts on the matter again
There is no good or bad formation to play with no matter what the era or what other teams are doing
The right formation to play is the one that suits the players at your disposal.
IMO if all Latics players were fit & available & Coyle was starting with Holt up front on his own then it would be the wrong formation coz I don’t think Holt has the attributes to play that role well. On the other hand it seems to suit Fortune better so if he started it may be the right formation to go with.
Another problem for me (again if everybody was fit) is that I don’t think that Maloney & McManaman are suited to the out & out winger roles that Coyle’s 4-5-1 seems to use, so again it becomes the wrong formation. However they wouldn’t suit 4-4-2 any better in that respect

I’d be quite happy seeing Latics play 4-4-2 if the players most suited to that system were picked. if they were then I’d be confident it’d be able to beat plenty of latics rivals who were playing 4-5-1 or whatever variants of it are out there.

The problem I see at the moment is with such a large turnover of personnel, & a manager only working with his players for about a month befroe the season started, Coyle is having trouble working out how best to employ the players he has available and he hasn’t been helped by having the likes of Holt, Maloney, McManaman, Fortune, Rogne etc.. unavailable for whatever reasons.
If Coyle is the right man to move Latics forward (which i doubted when he was appointed & still have my doubts about) then it will take time for things to settle just as it took time for things to settle when Jewell took over & he needed to ship out the deadwood he inherited.
On the other hand he could just be completely clueless & Whelan needs to act before it’s too late – on that I think Whelan is pretty clued up. He could see what Jewell was doing & held fire, likewise with Bobby. On the otherhand he could see what a mess Hutchings was making & acted quickly – if he feels he needs to act then I’m sure he will

Don’t really remember him at Ipswich as I was a bit young but I do remember him from my time as a ST holder at Man United in the early to late 80’s.
I never really rated him to be honest (as far as United midfielders at the time went I thought that Bryan Robson & Remi Moses were head & shoulders above him). I think he’d long since departed United by the time Euro 88 came along (he was possibly turning out for Ajax by then) & I remember being amazed that he was still able to get into the Dutch side.

Could never take to Henry to be honest. I can handle players being arrogant (thought Cantona was great & he was arrogant) but he took it into having a snidey side – I remember him shoving the ball in kirkland’s face after he scored to put em 2-1 late on at the Emirates after Latcis had been leading 1-0 for a good while & they’d all been whinging he’d been time wasting. Kirkland just told him to eff off, but I’d have been tempted to smash him in the face with the ball. He was a half decent player mind.

Cantona would probably top my list. Never before has one player so transformed a club’s fortunes – if fergie hadn’t bought Cantona in that first premier league season United wouldn’t have gone on to have the dominance that they have done.

match ticket availability is the big question to all those who have already booked – especially those without season tickets like my good self!!! :dry: :dry:

Proving travel arrangements was (or so I’ve heard) a request from the Belgian police & not something Latics put in place so whether you’ll have to do it for Maribor or not I don’t know – although from people I know who went under their own steam it was just a case of “How are you getting there? What time flight/ferry/chunnel? What’s the name of your hotel? When are you staying from & till?” & they weren’t asking for proof as such so you could have told them any old rubbish

Some Maribor supporter on wiganer.net in the days following the game, said that the away allocation is 694.
Whether Latics get offered any more I guess could depend on how Maribor get on in the games between now & then. If Latics beat em next week (not saying they will, just “if”) & they don’t get on too well in their double header with Zulte then they could have next to no chance of progressing. That being the case then (looking at the TV footage of their game with Rubin last week – where 1 end had no-one in it, the stand the cameras were opposite was two thirds full & likewise with the section behind teh other goal) I would imagine that there will be little enough demand for home tickets, for them to be able to offer Latics the entire end that was completely empty last week. Judging from the noise when Rubin scored I don’t think they took that many
If however they can qualify by beating/drawing with Latics then I’d imagine that there would be enough demand from home supporters for them not to have to consider doing that.

I think it might be wise of Latics to start taking declarations of interest from supporters wanting to go so that they/we can get some sort of handle on how many are considering going as at present we’ve no idea how many have already booked with LMB’s trip, the stop over one on this thread & independently like me

To be honest if the attendance last week was an indication of how many they are likely to have on for our game I don’t think tickets will be too hard to get hold of – whether they’re in the away section or not is another matter

When I looked into it I’m sure the price of a train ticket from Graz to Maribor was about 9euros – I think it’s only the equivalent distance of Manchester to Leeds.

It’s all down to personal preference I guess. I was quoted flights from Manchester to Graz of about £225 quid with a change in Munich like above. Having only ever had to get a connecting flight once (in Zurich) when I travelled from Manchester to Johannesburg & experiencing that whilst they delay the plane to let you get on you arrive at your eventual destination with no bags & having to spend 2 days in pretoria in just the clothes I’d travelled in (my travellers cheques were in my case), I preferred the option for Slovenia of 3 of us travelling to & from Stansted for a £65 return flight & a 13euro 1hr 45min train journey fro Ljubljana to Maribor